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#21 A-ha

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Posted 28 April 2008 - 10:33 AM

Ok i am in. Short ES 1398.25. 4 point stop.



1402.25 ?
I would give more room in case they gun the stops.

#22 NAV

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Posted 28 April 2008 - 10:42 AM

Ok i am in. Short ES 1398.25. 4 point stop.



1402.25 ?
I would give more room in case they gun the stops.


Not a penny more. I will approach shorting here is a high risk/ high reward trade. So small stops, if i am wrong. This cat and mouse game could continue into the Fed.

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#23 A-ha

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Posted 28 April 2008 - 11:34 AM

It just hit 1403 stopped out? I remember livermore says this in his book several times: "If I am not short, I must be long" and visa versa You wanna try going long now?

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Posted 28 April 2008 - 11:38 AM

It just hit 1403

stopped out?

I remember livermore says this in his book several times: "If I am not short, I must be long" and visa versa

You wanna try going long now?


Yes, stopped out. What do they say "Never short a F$%^^@ dull market ?" :D. Will leave the long side to you. No point trading these narrow range days. I guess, i need to wait till the Fed.

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#25 A-ha

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Posted 28 April 2008 - 11:41 AM

It just hit 1403

stopped out?

I remember livermore says this in his book several times: "If I am not short, I must be long" and visa versa

You wanna try going long now?


Yes, stopped out. What do they say "Never short a F$%^^@ dull market ?" :D. Will leave the long side to you. No point trading these narrow range days. I guess, i need to wait till the Fed.



Good point NAV. Like I said you cant win them all...

#26 cycletimer

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Posted 28 April 2008 - 11:55 AM

Dull markets can be shorted via selling call credit spreads. The more dull, the better as premium erodes rapidly. ON Friday I sold the OEX May 650/655 spreads.

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Posted 28 April 2008 - 12:34 PM

is in play here for SPX longs.

Probe 50% short at ES 1398.50 with tight stops. Will add more if we get a breakdown.



You are exactly right, I am liquidating my partial longs today or tomorrow.
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#28 A-ha

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Posted 28 April 2008 - 12:37 PM

is in play here for SPX longs.

Probe 50% short at ES 1398.50 with tight stops. Will add more if we get a breakdown.



You are exactly right, I am liquidating my partial longs today or tomorrow.



Sounds good to me. You have a downside target in mind?

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Posted 28 April 2008 - 12:42 PM

Struggled to test 1402... sure feels heavy, even on light volume today.
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#30 MacRo

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Posted 28 April 2008 - 12:58 PM

I've decided I'm going to go long ES too. I would like to do my part in helping everyone realize all this profit. I want my last contract to be the straw that broke the camels back. Is this cool A-ha? Or are you looking to bring the market down yourself?