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[AChartist]

There are so many points of fact or math it would take an encyclopedia. One bottom line point, to be taken from the Maloney part iv video, they just printed 13+ T since Clinton. They did not print the units of interest currency with it. I started talking about this a year ago and always learning more. Sure it is global, any countermeasure is just buying time and it will come around and find you. Gut expenses, live like a refugee Get all available cash flow into exempt property. Maybe get some asset off shore, this is reported on 1040 legally, but after the Bork solution that may come later, there is no more 1040. Stock metals, coin and bullion have different advantages I am starting to pick up alternate currencies, just started. Get the Bork Red Amendment book, get the paperwork, keep that in the back pocket at least, it is infinite knowledge. They do generally observe international law, a citizen has volunteered in slavery by consent, the alien has the full protection of Natural Rights, and immunity from color of law. Don't contract with them, sure you may need a car note to get to work, nothing is 100% doable. Dont keep any skin in a real estate contract. For example one countermeasure available. Heloc it out, go into immediate annuity ( use fixed equity indexed ), pay heloc with annuity. If SHTF, walk away and bankrupt, keep the annuity as exempt property. Live close to work For me, it is unlikely that mort interest will trump standard deduction so I am best to rent for now. Trade stocks for now to late 2015. Dont buy any crap. All crap in possession is your liability and their asset. Do the 433a from and Nola online means test, that is an education into the confiscation statutes and should illuminate how any non exempt property in possession is your liability. I have been learning about this a long time. I could take one year of recalibration just to begin to deprogram and another year to start to get it, get started on it. I can go at a moments notice. Ideally late 2015 I will quit to get the 401k out and go proactively. Maybe there is more time to 2016 election, I dont know that far yet. It is likely while they have the false prophet under the thumb they will go for as much as possible before 2016, 2016 becomes their end date, making late 2015 critical.

[Rogerdodger]

Dang! I just clicked view and mine was the 666th view.
This can't be good!

Seriously, deflation is the most frightening thing facing nations in debt.

And there is a whiff of worldwide deflation in the wind thus... QE "Forever" ...why not?
Gold's Biggest Issue: Deflation?
Why the Meltdown in Copper Prices this Week is Very Important for Precious Metals, and Possibly Equities Markets
http://stockcharts.com/c-sc/sc?s=$COPPER&p=D&b=5&g=0&i=p73659825481&r=1384663494864.png
http://stockcharts.com/c-sc/sc?s=$CRB&p=D&b=5&g=0&i=p06054548192&r=1384706133814.png
http://stockcharts.c...71474&r=453.png

Edited by Rogerdodger, 17 November 2013 - 11:36 AM.

[qqqqtrdr]

The goal of QE is to help the economy... As such there are winners and losers.. QE has made many elderly poorer as 0% interest dissolve their savings, and has helped create a bigger wealth gap between the rich and the poor.. There are more jobs available, but many jobs are now unfilled, because companies cannot find someone to work for the price they want to pay... Many services job fit in this category... Immigration reform will try and take of this problem, but jobs should be more about supply and demand, so it works itself out... In my opinion QE is working, but the government is putting in programs to undermine QE so it continues.. T I do see manufacturing moving back to the US... Apple is putting up a factory, Car manufactures are putting plants back in the US. This is positive development that should start to spur more jobs moving back... The moving back of jobs is related to quality, and stability, and second sourcing.. Companies can no longer afford to have manufacturing all in Japan, China, India, etc... They are realizing although the US cost more, it is a better place to set up long term.... The real users behind manufacturing is Europe, where companies must pay employees for a year if they need to get rid of them... This has led to a big shift in jobs away from Europe. Like any good medicine to fix ills, QE works well in the beginning, but loses it effectiveness over time.. Eventhough we have QE, I don't see it helping me as I can get low interest loans, but the price of the items goes higher because demand increases... Barry

[AChartist]

I see a total disaster.

The lying fraud theft war nsa is causing deflation.
The hopium paper was fictional faith and that is done too on a massive scale.

The asset prices is a panic out of the fake paper and deposit accounts, nothing more,
has a backside eventually which I figure on 2016-17 with an installment warning coming
up first of 2014.

My industry would depend on an awful large numbers of well paid employed with
large disposable incomes because the product price has doubled since about 2009.
A temporary subprime auto bubble stuffing years of future demand, makes the backside of this worse?

The price doubled late in response to 2004-2007 materials but was ultimately enabled later by
taking down the labor and taking down capacity industry wide.

Stick a fork in it, it gets worse, alot worse.
Inflation in capital assets, food, rent, taxes, medical, with deflation in labor.

http://www.economist.com/node/17465313

DANIEL DEFOE, the author of “Robinson Crusoe”, would have felt at home in these debt-laden times. A string of failed business ventures frequently left him in hock to his creditors. As a result he was known as the “Sunday gentleman” because he ventured out into polite society only on the Sabbath, when custom forbade the arrest of debtors.

The author also played a role in the evolution of “quantitative easing” (QE), or using newly created money to buy debt. He has been credited* with dreaming up the South Sea Company, the subject of an early experiment in QE.

Defoe was an enthusiast for Latin America and persuaded the British government to set up a company to trade with the region in 1711. Early business opportunities were almost non-existent thanks to Spanish opposition. But an enterprising director of the company called John Blunt saw another way to make money. Europe was then agog at the apparent success of John Law's schemes in France, where the sale of shares in a project to develop the Mississippi delta had relieved the monarchy of much of its debt. Blunt proposed that government-debt holders exchange their paper for new stock in the company.

[Dex]

One of the more interesting threads at TT in a long time. Here are my thoughts. In all of our points time frame needs to be included - things don't go directly to sh+t. Very Short term 1-4 years QE continues - a slow decline to the end - no cold turkey. Deflation is a problem Short term 5 - 10 years slow/low economic recovery A national VAT is discussed and instituted to deal with the deficit (not the debt) - it starts low 5% and increases over the years to European levels 18-20% Long term over 10 years Workers get pummeled Workers have lost: - defined pensions - wages that keep up with inflation - health benefits - 401Ks They will face: - VAT - increased taxes - increased user fees - increased illegal immigration - population increase around the world from 7B to 10B keeping wages down - increased possibility of war - much of that population growth will be in the 3rd world - they will be young, hungry, and out of work. You should learn about and follow currencies - there will be opportunities there. Stocks will do fine. High grade corp bonds will do fine Low grade bonds will go back to produce speculative returns because those companies will not have the advantages of large corps. There will be a lot of consolidation of corps.

[Dex]

One of the more interesting threads at TT in a long time.

I forgot to add
I agree that in the short term deflation is more of a concern than inflation.

The VAT will put off the pain for a shorter time then it has in Europe.

Watch Europe for what the future could hold. The cost base of taxes and social spending can not compete with the USA and China.

So there is time.

[AChartist]

I agree with Dex, time is variable, they are behind takedown schedule now. I'll go a little further. This is in bankruptcy receivership since civil war, owner are british. Why did they make the reserve currency out of the most worthless nothing, because there is nothing to compare nothing to nothing. The genius of this is, it made the wars free to the owners. I am on Armstrong's schedule. . I am out of here late 2015, proactively taking the 401k with me before they get it. This is about everything I do now, the ultimate solution. I will work on trading the bubble stocks with early 2014 decline and take the most I can with me. I dont expect the 401k to do more than double with good trading to avoid the next decline. That wont help enough. It will take big time bubble stock call options to get out of here with skin. Very careful, very careful entry points beginning in spring 2014 through 2015.

[da_cheif]

the markets are in the process of discounting an unparalleled world wide inflationary boom of historic proportions......and j6p.s are quivering in their shells worried about the same goblins of deflation that have worried investors for decades.......poor souls have no clew to whats coming.....

[Dex]

Martin Armstrong. The Stock Market Will Double By 2015


http://www.financial...e-market-double

Edited by Dex, 17 November 2013 - 11:04 AM.

[SemiBizz]

Thanks to everyone who voted in the poll... and for the lively discussion !