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Posted 05 August 2009 - 02:34 PM

Got this via email... I'm starting to read the bill now.

TERRIFYING STUFF FOLKS.
TIME TO START PAYING ATTENTION.

I have attached the Healthcare bill link below
Find your Senators at http://www.senate.gov/index.htm (upper right corner of page)
Find your Representative at https://writerep.hou...p/welcome.shtml
Call your congressman. Call your senator.

John Yarmuth 502-582-5129
His website: www.yarmuth.house.gov
To email him click here: http://yarmuth.house...ontree=6,29,68


Here’s the bill in its entirety…much better than any scary Stephen King book.

http://docs.house.go...Text-071409.pdf




Here’s the bill in its entirety…much better than any scary Stephen King book.

http://docs.house.go...Text-071409.pdf

A few highlights:

Pg 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Government will audit books of ALL
EMPLOYERS that self insure!!

Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVERNMENT COMMITTEE that decides
what treatments/benefits you get.

Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill - YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED

Pg 42 of HC Bill - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC
Benefits for you. You have no choice!

PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill - HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens,
illegal or otherwise.

Pg 58HC Bill - Government will have real-time access to individual's
finances and a National ID Healthcard will be issued

Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Government will have direct access to your banks
accounts for election funds transfer.

PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in
Unions and community organizations (ACORN).

Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Government is creating an HC Exchange to bring private HC
plans under Government control.

PG 84 Sec 203 HC bill - Government mandates ALL benefit packages for private
HC plans in the Exchange.

PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs for of Benefit Levels for Plans = The
Government will ration your Healthcare

PG 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill - Government mandates linguistic appropriate
services. Example - Translation for illegal aliens.

Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Government will use groups i.e., ACORN and
Americorps to sign up individuals for Government HC plan.

PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs of Benefit Levels for Plans. #AARP members -
your Health care WILL be rationed.

-PG 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill - Medicaid Eligible Individuals will be
automatically enrolled in Medicaid. No choice.

pg 124 lines 24-25 HC No company can sue GOVERNMENT on price fixing. No
"judicial review" against Government monopoly.

pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill - Doctors/ #AMA - The Government will tell YOU
what you can make.

Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into public option
plan. NO CHOICE.

Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay for HC for part time employees AND
their families.

Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Employer with payroll 400k and above who does not
provide public option pays 8% tax on all payroll.

pg 150 Lines 9-13 Businesses with payroll between 251k and 400k who don't
provide public option pay 2-6% tax on all payroll.

Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesn't have acceptable HC according
to Government will be taxed 2.5% of income.

Pg 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual
taxes. (Americans will pay)

Pg 195 HC Bill -officers and employees of HC Admin (GOVERNMENT) will have
access to ALL Americans finance/personal records

PG 203 Line 14-15 HC - "The tax imposed under this section shall not be
treated as tax" Yes, it says that.

Pg 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill Government will reduce physician services for
Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor affected. [They will include "End of
Life Counseling" instead.]

Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill - Doctors, doesn't matter what specialty you have,
you'll all be paid the same.

PG 253 Line 10-18 Government sets value of Dr's time, proof, judgment etc.
Literally value of humans.

PG 265 Sec 1131Government mandates and controls productivity for private HC
industries.

PG 268 Sec 1141 Fed Government regulates rental and purchase of power driven
wheelchairs.

PG 272 SEC. 1145. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients -
welcome to rationing

Page 280 Sec 1151 The Government will penalize hospitals for what Government
deems preventable re-admissions.

Pg 298 Lines 9-11 Drs, treat a patient during initial admission that results
in a readmission Government will penalize you.

Pg 317 L 13-20 OMG!! PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Government tells
Drs. what/how much they can own.

Pg 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion- Government is mandating
hospitals cannot expand

pg 321 2-13 Hospitals have opportunity to apply for exception BUT community
input required.

Pg335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339 - Government mandates establishment of outcome
based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing.

Pg 341 Lines 3-9 Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Adv Plans,
HMOs, etc. Forcing people into Government plan

Pg 354 Sec 1177 - Government will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs
people!

Pg 379 Sec 1191 Government creates more bureaucracy - Telehealth Advisory
Committee. Can you say HC by phone?

PG 425 Lines 4-12 Government mandates Advance Care Planning Consult. Think
Senior Citizens end of life

Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Government will instruct and consult regarding living
wills, durable powers of attorney. Mandatory!

PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Government provides approved list of end
of life resources, guiding you in death.

PG 427 Lines 15-24 Government mandates program for orders for end of life.
The Government has a say in how your life ends.

Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An "advance care planning consult" will be used frequently
as patients health deteriorates.

PG 429 Lines 10-12 "advance care consultation" may include an ORDER for end
of life plans. AN ORDER from GOVERNMENT.

Pg 429 Lines 13-25 - The Government will specify which Doctors can write an
end of life order.

PG 430 Lines 11-15 The Government will decide what level of treatment you
will have at end of life.

Pg 469 - Community Based Home Medical Services=Non profit organizations.
Hello, ACORN Medical Services here!!?

Page 472 Lines 14-17 PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORGANIZATION. One monthly
payment to a community-based org. Like ACORN?

PG 489 Sec 1308 The Government will cover Marriage and Family therapy. Which
means they will insert Government into your marriage.

Pg 494-498 Government will cover Mental Health Services including defining,
creating, rationing those services



#2 diogenes227

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Posted 05 August 2009 - 06:41 PM

Sounds good. Wish it went a little further in providing an extensive socialized medical system like those of the rest of the world economy against which we are a competitor, but it's definitely a good first step in the right direction.

I will be letting my congressman know I support most of this proposal, and identifying a few things at issue to improve. Thanks for the links!

Got this via email... I'm starting to read the bill now.

TERRIFYING STUFF FOLKS.
TIME TO START PAYING ATTENTION.

I have attached the Healthcare bill link below
Find your Senators at http://www.senate.gov/index.htm (upper right corner of page)
Find your Representative at https://writerep.hou...p/welcome.shtml
Call your congressman. Call your senator.

John Yarmuth 502-582-5129
His website: www.yarmuth.house.gov
To email him click here: http://yarmuth.house...ontree=6,29,68


Here’s the bill in its entirety…much better than any scary Stephen King book.

http://docs.house.go...Text-071409.pdf




Here’s the bill in its entirety…much better than any scary Stephen King book.

http://docs.house.go...Text-071409.pdf

A few highlights:

Pg 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Government will audit books of ALL
EMPLOYERS that self insure!!

Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVERNMENT COMMITTEE that decides
what treatments/benefits you get.

Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill - YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED

Pg 42 of HC Bill - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC
Benefits for you. You have no choice!

PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill - HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens,
illegal or otherwise.

Pg 58HC Bill - Government will have real-time access to individual's
finances and a National ID Healthcard will be issued

Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Government will have direct access to your banks
accounts for election funds transfer.

PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in
Unions and community organizations (ACORN).

Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Government is creating an HC Exchange to bring private HC
plans under Government control.

PG 84 Sec 203 HC bill - Government mandates ALL benefit packages for private
HC plans in the Exchange.

PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs for of Benefit Levels for Plans = The
Government will ration your Healthcare

PG 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill - Government mandates linguistic appropriate
services. Example - Translation for illegal aliens.

Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Government will use groups i.e., ACORN and
Americorps to sign up individuals for Government HC plan.

PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs of Benefit Levels for Plans. #AARP members -
your Health care WILL be rationed.

-PG 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill - Medicaid Eligible Individuals will be
automatically enrolled in Medicaid. No choice.

pg 124 lines 24-25 HC No company can sue GOVERNMENT on price fixing. No
"judicial review" against Government monopoly.

pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill - Doctors/ #AMA - The Government will tell YOU
what you can make.

Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into public option
plan. NO CHOICE.

Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay for HC for part time employees AND
their families.

Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Employer with payroll 400k and above who does not
provide public option pays 8% tax on all payroll.

pg 150 Lines 9-13 Businesses with payroll between 251k and 400k who don't
provide public option pay 2-6% tax on all payroll.

Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesn't have acceptable HC according
to Government will be taxed 2.5% of income.

Pg 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual
taxes. (Americans will pay)

Pg 195 HC Bill -officers and employees of HC Admin (GOVERNMENT) will have
access to ALL Americans finance/personal records

PG 203 Line 14-15 HC - "The tax imposed under this section shall not be
treated as tax" Yes, it says that.

Pg 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill Government will reduce physician services for
Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor affected. [They will include "End of
Life Counseling" instead.]

Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill - Doctors, doesn't matter what specialty you have,
you'll all be paid the same.

PG 253 Line 10-18 Government sets value of Dr's time, proof, judgment etc.
Literally value of humans.

PG 265 Sec 1131Government mandates and controls productivity for private HC
industries.

PG 268 Sec 1141 Fed Government regulates rental and purchase of power driven
wheelchairs.

PG 272 SEC. 1145. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients -
welcome to rationing

Page 280 Sec 1151 The Government will penalize hospitals for what Government
deems preventable re-admissions.

Pg 298 Lines 9-11 Drs, treat a patient during initial admission that results
in a readmission Government will penalize you.

Pg 317 L 13-20 OMG!! PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Government tells
Drs. what/how much they can own.

Pg 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion- Government is mandating
hospitals cannot expand

pg 321 2-13 Hospitals have opportunity to apply for exception BUT community
input required.

Pg335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339 - Government mandates establishment of outcome
based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing.

Pg 341 Lines 3-9 Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Adv Plans,
HMOs, etc. Forcing people into Government plan

Pg 354 Sec 1177 - Government will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs
people!

Pg 379 Sec 1191 Government creates more bureaucracy - Telehealth Advisory
Committee. Can you say HC by phone?

PG 425 Lines 4-12 Government mandates Advance Care Planning Consult. Think
Senior Citizens end of life

Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Government will instruct and consult regarding living
wills, durable powers of attorney. Mandatory!

PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Government provides approved list of end
of life resources, guiding you in death.

PG 427 Lines 15-24 Government mandates program for orders for end of life.
The Government has a say in how your life ends.

Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An "advance care planning consult" will be used frequently
as patients health deteriorates.

PG 429 Lines 10-12 "advance care consultation" may include an ORDER for end
of life plans. AN ORDER from GOVERNMENT.

Pg 429 Lines 13-25 - The Government will specify which Doctors can write an
end of life order.

PG 430 Lines 11-15 The Government will decide what level of treatment you
will have at end of life.

Pg 469 - Community Based Home Medical Services=Non profit organizations.
Hello, ACORN Medical Services here!!?

Page 472 Lines 14-17 PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORGANIZATION. One monthly
payment to a community-based org. Like ACORN?

PG 489 Sec 1308 The Government will cover Marriage and Family therapy. Which
means they will insert Government into your marriage.

Pg 494-498 Government will cover Mental Health Services including defining,
creating, rationing those services


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#3 OEXCHAOS

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Posted 07 August 2009 - 07:51 AM

I'm confident that the US government will do as good a job with a healthcare monopoly as it has with everything else it has done. :P What that old definition of insanity again?

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Posted 07 August 2009 - 07:54 AM

I'm confident that the US government will do as good a job with a healthcare monopoly as it has with everything else it has done.

:P

What that old definition of insanity again?


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Posted 07 August 2009 - 08:28 PM

The "Complete Lives System" -- published January 31, 2009
Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel (Brother to Obama's Chief of Staff)
Chief Health-Care Policy Adviser to President Barack Hussein Obama

"Unlike allocation by sex or race, allocation by age is not invidious discrimination; every person lives through different life stages rather than being a single age. Even if 25-year-olds receive priority over 65-year-olds, everyone who is 65 years now was previously 25 years. Treating 65-yearolds differently because of stereotypes or falsehoods would be ageist; treating them differently because they have already had more life-years is not."

"Ultimately, the complete lives system does not create 'classes of Untermenschen whose lives and well being are deemed not worth spending money on,' but rather empowers us to decide fairly whom to save when genuine scarcity makes saving everyone impossible."

"When implemented, the complete lives system produces a priority curve on which individuals aged between roughly 15 and 40 years get the most substantial chance, whereas the youngest and oldest people get chances that are attenuated"

"Strict youngest-first allocation directs scarce resources predominantly to infants. This approach seems incorrect. The death of a 20-year-old woman is intuitively worse than that of a 2-month-old girl, even though the baby has had less life. The 20-year-old has a much more developed personality than the infant, and has drawn upon the investment of others to begin as-yet-unfulfilled projects.... Adolescents have received substantial substantial education and parental care, investments that will be wasted without a complete life. Infants, by contrast, have not yet received these investments.... It is terrible when an infant dies, but worse, most people think, when a three-year-old child dies, and worse still when an adolescent does."

"Unlike allocation by sex or race, allocation by age is not invidious discrimination; every person lives through different life stages rather than being a single age. Even if 25-year-olds receive priority over 65-year-olds, everyone who is 65 years now was previously 25 years."

"Every favor to a constituency should be linked to support for the health-care reform agenda. If the automakers want a bailout, then they and their suppliers have to agree to support and lobby for the administration's health-reform effort."


================== Earlier quote by Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel ===============
Substantively, it suggests services that promote the continuation of the polity-those that ensure healthy future generations, ensure development of practical reasoning skills, and ensure full and active participation by citizens in public deliberations-are to be socially guaranteed as basic. Conversely, services provided to individuals who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens are not basic and should not be guaranteed. An obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia."
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Posted 07 August 2009 - 09:42 PM

Yesterday I took my grandson for his driving test at the government run motor vehicle agency. We were there before 8 a.m. and he was number 124 in line. At 3 pm the actual driving test was given in less than 10 minutes. It was 5 P.M. before he actually had his license in his hand. Government efficiency on display. If you love long lines, you'll love visiting the doctor when it's "free". And imagine all of the sick people you'll get to be with, for hours at a time.

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Posted 07 August 2009 - 11:11 PM

WARNING: This thread has been forwarded to the 'speech police' at flag@Whitehouse.gov

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Posted 08 August 2009 - 06:21 PM

Government is good at:
1. making us line up, and
2. creating Black Markets:

Cash-strapped Cuba says toilet paper running short...

If they would only use one or two sheets per wipe...
A toilet paper black market will develop.
Sheryl Crow will cause toilet paper lines.

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Posted 09 August 2009 - 03:32 AM

Call your congressman. Call your senator.

:lol: :lol: :lol:
LOL!

They don't want to answer any questions.
They will call you names if you ask the wrong questions.

See what response this doctor received from his Congressman, David Scott: LINK



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Posted 09 August 2009 - 05:37 PM

:o DON'T ASK QUESTIONS. AND NOW DON'T SPEAK AGAINST THE HEALTH BILL, BECAUSE IF YOU DO THE WHITE HOUSE WANTS TO KNOW YOUR NAME.

Shades of Stalin: White House wants us to snitch on each other

By Jim Backlin

Created Aug 6 2009 - 6:23pm

The shocking news this week coming out of Washington D.C. was the report that Barack Obama's White House wants us Americans to snitch on each other. The apparent reason is that Obama is getting worried that the American people are overwhelmingly turning against his socialized medicine scheme.

Videos on YouTube.com showing angry Americans at town hall meetings confronting their Senators -- such as that hosted by Pennsylvania Democrat Arlen Specter and Obama's HHS Secretary Kathleen Sibelius -- about their concerns about Obamacare have really shaken up the Obama White House.

Indeed, Obama's health care scheme is in such deep trouble that even the massive lobby which represents tens of millions of senior citizens, the AARP, is now backing down and telling its irate members who are calling in that the AARP is definitely not supporting the Obama health care system or the Nancy Pelosi health care scheme in the House of Representatives. That first fact is volunteered by an AARP representative even before a senior citizen can complain about a specific health care bill.

Amanda Carpenter in today's "The Washington Times" reported that the left-wing former television network news "reporter," Linda Douglas, now the communications director for the White House Office of Health Reform, "caused the White House to start asking people to report information on the Web about 'health insurance reform that seems fishy.'"

Fox News' Glenn Beck reported tonight that "Team Obama wants you to report any fishy report about the White House health care bill." On the Beck show tonight, former judge, Andrew Napolitano, reported that Congress wrote a law saying that neither the president nor the executive branch shall keep records about Americans who are utilizing their freedom of speech rights." Judge Napolitano also said that "The president cannot intimidate people by threatening to keep their names on file just because they criticize the president and his administration."

In Carpenter's column today, she reported that "RedState founder Erick Erickson said that 'given the near certainty that no one will be stripping from e-mails the names of the people forwarding the information, the White House is most likely engaged in illegal activity.'

"He points to a section of the U.S. Code titled 'Records maintained on individuals' that says government agencies, including the executive branch, may 'maintain no record describing how any individual exercises rights guaranteed by the First Amendment unless expressly authorized by statute or by the individual about whom the record is maintained unless pertinent to and within the scope of authorized law enforcement activity.'"

Mr. Erickson goes on to say: "This will be the first significant time the White House has ignored the Privacy Act and may open President Obama up to litigation." Where are the watchdogs in the mainstream news media who should be concerned about the First Amendment rights of all Americans? Unfortunately, they seem to have gone into hibernation for the next four years.

Ironically, this latest scheme by the Obama administration attempting to get Americans to snitch on each other comes from a president who is only president because Obama began his political career as a community organizer who paid activists to show up at town hall meetings held by elected officials. Concerned Americans showing up at townhall meetings this month do not have to be paid to express their dire concerns about Obamacare.

Barack Obama, and his minions such as Linda Douglas, should heed warnings that they will violate the privacy act if they do keep records on Americans who are only providing to their fellow citizens information criticizing the Obama health care plans, but to the Obama administration are providing "information which seems fishy." The Obama government cannot continue to intimidate American citizens because what they are doing is chilling free speech for all Americans.
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