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[salsabob]

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Note that your posted chart corresponds nicely with the last several decades of intense solar activity.
Solar activity (as seen below in Cycle #24) has been diminishing recently and ice has been increasing.

If there is any mechanism of linking sun spots to global temperatures, it has to be through changes in in solar energy.

Unfortunately for you, solar energy has been going in the opposite direction of global temperatures -




so what is the mechanism of sun spots influencing global temperatures? Is it that they reduce the amount of horsepoo of the invisible magic ponies that encircle the planet?

One would think that even less pooping by your invisible magic ponies encircling the planet would still have a greater impact on upper atmosphere temperatures, which have actually remain relatively stable while the lower atmosphere, land surface temperatures and especially ocean temperature are all cooking - which is exactly what would be expected from CO2-related warming.


Here's a host of links that debunk the sun spot mythology -

http://debunking.pbw...9... Solar Myth

http://debunking.pbworks.com/w/page/17102974/Sunspots%20and%20Solar%20Myth

My favorite is the one that shows a better correlation between sunspot activity and the number of GOP critters in the US Senate -

http://www.realclima...h-correlations/

Fun with Correlations!

I guess your chart of decrease in sunspots at least provides some hope for the 2016 elections

This map outlines the median ice coverage since solar activity began to increase since 1981.

We've already debunked this cherry picking obfuscation. Here's a new word for you -

'Derp', noun - the constant, repetitive reiteration of an opinion that preceded evidence.

'Derpy', adjective - prior assumptions are so unwarrantedly strong that they are unaffected by evidence

As former skeptic Dr. Mueller stated -

http://www.nytimes.c...eptic.html?_r=0

The Conversion of a Climate-Change Skeptic

CALL me a converted skeptic. Three years ago I identified problems in previous climate studies that, in my mind, threw doubt on the very existence of global warming. Last year, following an intensive research effort involving a dozen scientists, I concluded that global warming was real and that the prior estimates of the rate of warming were correct. I’m now going a step further: Humans are almost entirely the cause.

My total turnaround, in such a short time, is the result of careful and objective analysis by the Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature project, which I founded with my daughter Elizabeth. Our results show that the average temperature of the earth’s land has risen by two and a half degrees Fahrenheit over the past 250 years, including an increase of one and a half degrees over the most recent 50 years. Moreover, it appears likely that essentially all of this increase results from the human emission of greenhouse gases.

Sure, there's still some tiny wiggle room that the warming is not anthropogenic, but only the most derpy cling to their false faith that warming isn't occurring with its subsequent consequences of ice melt and sea level rise. You're going to have a lot of explaining to do with your grandchildren - at least the ones that can tread water for hours.

[Rogerdodger]

It was warmer in Alaska 1,000 years ago than it is today!
The Maunder Minimum, also known as the "prolonged sunspot minimum", is the name used for the period starting in about 1645 and continuing to about 1715 when sunspots became exceedingly rare, as noted by solar observers of the time.
During one 28-year period within the Maunder Minimum (1672-1699), observations showed fewer than 50 sunspots, as opposed to a more typical 40,000–50,000 spots in modern times.

Global warming is going to freeze us to death!
September Snowstorm Breaks Records in Alaska...

A major early snowstorm hit Northern Alaska. Fairbanks had 6.7″ yesterday (Fri.). That obliterated the previous daily snowfall record of 0.8″.
Alaska’s a big state and all but one of the first order climate stations here is reporting colder than average temps. so far this Sept: Nome -2.6, Anchorage -2.0, Bethel -2.0, Fairbanks -1.9, Barrow -1.9, King Salmon -1.9, Kotzebue -1.7, McGrath -1.6, Annette -1.2, Yakutat -1.1, Kodiak +0.2.

Edited by Rogerdodger, 26 September 2015 - 02:31 PM.

[brucekeller]

It was warmer in Alaska 1,000 years ago than it is today!
The Maunder Minimum, also known as the "prolonged sunspot minimum", is the name used for the period starting in about 1645 and continuing to about 1715 when sunspots became exceedingly rare, as noted by solar observers of the time.
During one 28-year period within the Maunder Minimum (1672-1699), observations showed fewer than 50 sunspots, as opposed to a more typical 40,000–50,000 spots in modern times.

Global warming is going to freeze us to death!
September Snowstorm Breaks Records in Alaska...

A major early snowstorm hit Northern Alaska. Fairbanks had 6.7″ yesterday (Fri.). That obliterated the previous daily snowfall record of 0.8″.
Alaska’s a big state and all but one of the first order climate stations here is reporting colder than average temps. so far this Sept: Nome -2.6, Anchorage -2.0, Bethel -2.0, Fairbanks -1.9, Barrow -1.9, King Salmon -1.9, Kotzebue -1.7, McGrath -1.6, Annette -1.2, Yakutat -1.1, Kodiak +0.2.

Don't worry, those will get adjusted up next year.

[Rogerdodger]

I think you meant to say: "solar energy has been going in the opposite direction of fraudulently adjusted, hockey-stick global temperatures"

How is it that Alaska was warmer 1,000 years ago and there is a frozen forest under the Mendenhall Glacier?
How is it that the higher elevation Taku Glacier is advancing while the lower elevation Mendenhall Glacier is melting?
How is it that the glaciers in Cape Cod Bay and Yosemite melted thousands of years ago, long before man walked the earth?

Climate Myopia seems to be contagious. You catch it from the Statist Establishment Tax Machine.

Ancient Forest Thaws From Melting Glacial Tomb
An ancient forest has thawed from under a melting glacier in Alaska and is now exposed to the world for the first time in more than 1,000 years.
A protective tomb of gravel likely encased the trees more than 1,000 years ago, when the glacier was advancing, Connor said, basing the date on radiocarbon ages of the newly revealed wood. As glaciers advance, Connor explained, they often emit summer meltwater streams that spew aprons of gravel beyond the glacier's edge.
Taku Glacier, located south of Juneau, is currently triggering this same process as it advances over a modern forest of cottonwood trees, offering the researchers a chance to observe the process in real time, Connor said.


The stump of an ancient tree is visible at the base of the Mendenhall Glacier in July of 2013. UAS Professor of Geology and Environmental Science Program Coordinator Cathy Connor said she and her team have found the trees to be between 1,400 and 1,200 years old. The oldest she’s tested are around 2,350 years old. She’s also dated some at around 1,870 to 2,000 years old.

One could only speculate what froze the forest.
The Maunder Minimum, also known as the "prolonged sunspot minimum", is the name used for the period starting in about 1645 and continuing to about 1715 when sunspots became exceedingly rare, as noted by solar observers of the time.
During one 28-year period within the Maunder Minimum (1672-1699), observations showed fewer than 50 sunspots, as opposed to a more typical 40,000–50,000 spots in modern times.

The climate is extremely dynamic and not well understood.
To rely on computer models sounds scientific, but (biased, manipulated) garbage in = garbage out.

Edited by Rogerdodger, 27 September 2015 - 08:44 AM.

[Rogerdodger]

World on brink of '50 year ICE AGE'...

The warning comes just months after the Met Office warned Britain might be facing another maunder minimum ice age.
A recent report warned the amount of light and warmth released by the sun is nosediving to levels "not seen for centuries".
A so-called 'Maunder Minimum' has been responsible for historic winter whiteouts and led to the River Thames freezing 300 years ago.
The Met Office-led study claimed that although the effect will be offset by recent global warming, Britain faces years of unusually cold winters.
A spokesman said: "A return to low solar activity not seen for centuries could increase the chances of cold winters in Europe and eastern parts of the United States.
Return of 'grand solar minimum' could affect European and eastern US winters."

“A ‘blob’ of abnormally cold water in the North Atlantic, located near Greenland, has the potential to put enough drag on the ocean current to impact weather conditions in the years to come.
He said after a cycle of strong solar activity an “off the charts” dip in the sun’s energy output will trigger years of potentially cold winters in the UK.

“This serious climate situation is also something that is unlikely to correct itself overnight as repeated analysis of past cycles and other contributing factors in relation to the current solar output and size/frequency of sunspots reveal to us quite conclusively that we are heading into something like a Maunder Minimum - a time when the Thames used to freeze over regularly in London - or a fully blown ice age in the coming years and decades.”

http://www.solen.info/solar/

Edited by Rogerdodger, 16 October 2015 - 09:02 AM.

[salsabob]

World on brink of '50 year ICE AGE'...

The warning comes just months after the Met Office warned Britain might be facing another maunder minimum ice age.
A recent report warned the amount of light and warmth released by the sun is nosediving to levels "not seen for centuries".
A so-called 'Maunder Minimum' has been responsible for historic winter whiteouts and led to the River Thames freezing 300 years ago.
The Met Office-led study claimed that although the effect will be offset by recent global warming, Britain faces years of unusually cold winters.
A spokesman said: "A return to low solar activity not seen for centuries could increase the chances of cold winters in Europe and eastern parts of the United States.
Return of 'grand solar minimum' could affect European and eastern US winters."

“A ‘blob’ of abnormally cold water in the North Atlantic, located near Greenland, has the potential to put enough drag on the ocean current to impact weather conditions in the years to come.
He said after a cycle of strong solar activity an “off the charts” dip in the sun’s energy output will trigger years of potentially cold winters in the UK.

“This serious climate situation is also something that is unlikely to correct itself overnight as repeated analysis of past cycles and other contributing factors in relation to the current solar output and size/frequency of sunspots reveal to us quite conclusively that we are heading into something like a Maunder Minimum - a time when the Thames used to freeze over regularly in London - or a fully blown ice age in the coming years and decades.”

http://www.solen.info/solar/

Here are some of the other headlines from Roger's source -

Becky Watts head discovered in Asda bag after her severed hand found wrapped in cling flim

Did parallel universe open up? Hundreds see 'floating city' filmed in skies above China

Does SECRET TUNNEL discovered under Berlin prove Hitler SURVIVED WW2 and fled Germany?

MH370: Plane wreckage with pilot SKELETON and Malaysia Airlines colours 'found'

Russian jet SHOT DOWN by Turkey after it flew into their airspace, according to reports

Oh, and as far as worrying about decreases in solar activity and the coming ice age?

Not so much, ey -

[Rogerdodger]

Global Warming rule #3: Attack the source, ignore the facts.

Giant 'Hole' in Sun 50 Earths Wide...
Coronal holes, like the one that materialized last week, normally form over the sun's poles and lower latitudes, more often when the sun is at a less active point in its 11-year cycle. They are areas within the sun's outermost layer, called its corona, which are lower-density and cooler — that, plus the weakened magnetic field, lets the plasma and charged particles that make up the corona stream out more easily in a solar wind.

Edited by Rogerdodger, 16 October 2015 - 03:53 PM.

[Rogerdodger]

GLOBAL COOLING: Decade long ice age predicted as sun 'hibernates'...

A team of European researchers have unveiled a scientific model showing that the Earth is likely to experience a “mini ice age” from 2030 to 2040 as a result of decreased solar activity.
Their findings will infuriate environmental campaigners who argue by 2030 we could be facing increased sea levels and flooding due to glacial melt at the poles.
However, at the National Astronomy Meeting in Wales, Northumbria University professor Valentina Zharkova said fluctuations an 11-year cycle of solar activity the sun goes through would be responsible for a freeze, the like of which has not been experienced since the 1600s.
From 1645 to 1715 global temperatures dropped due to low solar activity so much that the planet experienced a 70-year ice age known as Maunder Minimum which saw the River Thames in London completely frozen.

"infuriate environmental campaigners"... but not real scientists.

Solar cycle #24 continues to not only be the weakest in decades... but one of the weakest in recorded history.

Edited by Rogerdodger, 04 November 2015 - 03:41 PM.

[Rogerdodger]

* Is that the sun up there?

Edited by Rogerdodger, 04 November 2015 - 11:46 PM.

[Rogerdodger]

COLD SUN RISING...
Studies flip 'climate change' notions upside down...

The sun will go into "hibernation" mode around 2030, and it has already started to get sleepy. At the Royal Astronomical Society's annual meeting in July, Professor Valentina Zharkova of Northumbria University in the UK confirmed it - the sun will begin its Maunder Minimum (Grand Solar Minimum) in 15 years. Other scientists had suggested years ago that this change was imminent, but Zharkova's model is said to have near-perfect accuracy.
But that's not the only cooling effect of a solar minimum. A dim sun doesn't deflect cosmic rays away from Earth as efficiently as a bright sun. So, when these rays enter our atmosphere, they seed clouds, which in turn cool our planet even more and increase precipitation in the form of rain, snow and hail.

If Earth were to enter the next Ice Age too quickly, glaciers could advance much further south, rainforests could turn into savannah, and sea levels could drop dramatically, causing havoc.

The BBC, all three major American TV networks, Time magazine and the New York Times all ran feature stories highlighting the scare. Fortunately, by 1978 the PDO Index shifted back to warm and the fear abated.

Edited by Rogerdodger, 11 November 2015 - 12:39 PM.