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[Rogerdodger]

After doing lots of research from independent sources, I found prices on the government site to be substantially lower than other sources.
I must say I was a bit suspicious, since so far nothing about this fiasco has been true.
My suspicions turned out to be true:
CBSNEWS: Website Underestimates Cost of Insurance...

Industry analysts point to how the website lumps people only into two broad categories: "49 or under" and "50 or older."
Prices for everyone in the 49-or-under group are based on what a 27-year-old would pay. In the 50-or-older group, prices are based on what a 50-year-old would pay.

CBS News ran the numbers for a 48-year-old in Charlotte, N.C., ineligible for subsidies. According to HealthCare.gov, she would pay $231 a month, but the actual plan on Blue Cross and Blue Shield of North Carolina's website costs $360, more than 50 percent higher. The difference: Blue Cross and Blue Shield requests your birthday before providing more accurate estimates.

NEARLY DOUBLE!!!
The numbers for older Americans are even more striking. A 62-year-old in Charlotte looking for the same basic plan would get a price estimate on the government website of $394. The actual price is $634.
SURPRISE, SURPRISE!

Edited by Rogerdodger, 23 October 2013 - 10:55 PM.

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After Shutting Down The Government And Calling Republicans Terrorists Three Weeks Ago, Democrats Say That Obamacare Should Delay

WHITE HOUSE OPENS DOOR TO OBAMACARE DELAY –

As the federal government teetered on the brink of shutdown at the end of last month, the White House and Senate Democrats flatly refused a Republican emergency spending bill that would have kept the government open but delayed ObamaCare’s requirement that individuals purchase health insurance by March 31 or face a fine. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid responded to a GOP counteroffer by saying Republicans had “lost their minds.” But after an epic failure of a launch for the new health insurance entitlement and with the partial shutdown over, “delay” suddenly isn’t a dirty word anymore. With many of those subject to the fine unable to sign up due to manifold botches in the enrollment process, Democrats are warming up to the idea.


http://stevengoddard...e-should-delay/

Days Later, Democrats Adopt GOP Plan On ObamaCare

Democrat lawmakers are scurrying to delay implementation of the flawed program. It bears repeating that the GOP position on the government shutdown was to enact the very same delay. The media, at the time, abetted in calling the GOP "terrorists", but now applauds Democrats for exactly the same position.

Democrat Senator Mark Pryor tells CNN he wants to extend Obamacare deadline, agrees with Senator Shaheen


http://www.breitbart...lanon-ObamaCare

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After Shutting Down The Government And Calling Republicans Terrorists Three Weeks Ago, Democrats Say That Obamacare Should Delay

WHITE HOUSE OPENS DOOR TO OBAMACARE DELAY –

As the federal government teetered on the brink of shutdown at the end of last month, the White House and Senate Democrats flatly refused a Republican emergency spending bill that would have kept the government open but delayed ObamaCare’s requirement that individuals purchase health insurance by March 31 or face a fine. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid responded to a GOP counteroffer by saying Republicans had “lost their minds.” But after an epic failure of a launch for the new health insurance entitlement and with the partial shutdown over, “delay” suddenly isn’t a dirty word anymore. With many of those subject to the fine unable to sign up due to manifold botches in the enrollment process, Democrats are warming up to the idea.


http://stevengoddard...e-should-delay/

Days Later, Democrats Adopt GOP Plan On ObamaCare

Democrat lawmakers are scurrying to delay implementation of the flawed program. It bears repeating that the GOP position on the government shutdown was to enact the very same delay. The media, at the time, abetted in calling the GOP "terrorists", but now applauds Democrats for exactly the same position.

Democrat Senator Mark Pryor tells CNN he wants to extend Obamacare deadline, agrees with Senator Shaheen


http://www.breitbart...lanon-ObamaCare

What's the Difference Between Workplace Violence and Terrorism?

Workplace Violence:

Army major Hasan murders 13 at Ft. Hood in defense of the Taliban.

Terrorism:

Republicans attempt to delay Obamacare.




http://news.investor...s-terrorism.htm

[Rogerdodger]

Central Planning: Delusions and Failures from the French Revolution to Obamacare: LINK

Edited by Rogerdodger, 25 October 2013 - 10:35 AM.

[*JB*]

Central Planning: Delusions and Failures from the French Revolution to Obamacare: LINK

Roger, a few thoughts about the point of the article.

I'll keep this short.

Socialism/the "left"/progressivism/etc. is based on the foundation of "Utilitarianism" -- i.e. that which is THOUGHT to produce the greatest good for the greatest number -- or HOPES to avoid the worst for the most -- is what's right.

IOW, they bolster their opinion of what they "THINK" is right with a perception (being factual is not nessessary) of the so called greatest good. However that begs the question... would a progressive in the US not feed his own child if that money could feed 100 children in Uganda??

A problem is that FEW, if ANY, of "progressives" really understand or look in debth at the workable when thinking about the utopian.

Even more to the point is that they WILL support evil in order to achieve what they see is the greater good....thus the many supporters of Stalin, Hitler, Mao, etc. stood by blithely -- in necessarily self enforced ignorance-- while millions upon millions of innocent lives were taken or "just" destroyed.

With the ACA, progressives do NOT care -- or at least ignore -- that millions of people will be severely hurt or even destroyed if the "under class" gets health INSURANCE...even if they only get treated in the worst hospitals by the worst Doctors. They also run from the fact that socialized medicine in Canada and Europe produces horrible medical care --where denial of care -- and needlesss death -- is rampant.

Today, it was released that -- in the States where they have their own ACA programs and data is available -- that 90-95% of ALL actually "enrolled" are in enrolling in Medicaid...period! BTW -- study after study shows that people on medicaid are far more likely to die early than those with even NO "insurance".

[Rogerdodger]

Liar, liar, pants on fire.
It's a bit funny but I just had a dream that I was explaining to a government worker that my health care costs under Obamacare will see a huge increase.
(We spent under $3,000 total last year for doctors, meds and an ER visit.
Our quote for the new plan is $800+ a month PLUS an $8,000 deductible!!! (Age & pre-existing conditions.)

FLA woman's rate jumps from $54 a month to $591...
'I just want to know why I can't keep what I have'...

"But people across the country are finding out they're losing their existing insurance plans under Obamacare," says the reporter. "In Florida, at least 300,000 people are losing coverage."
"When I got this bill, I was outraged," CBS quotes a 56-year-old Florida resident who got dropped from her health care plan.
Her new plan will be 10 times higher than what she's paying now, jumping from $54 a month to $591.
"What I have right now is what I'm happy with, and I just want to know why I can't keep what I have," says the woman. "Why do I have to be forced into something else?"

Obama is quoted as saying, "If you like your insurance plan, you will keep it. No one will be able to take that away from you."

Edited by Rogerdodger, 28 October 2013 - 09:24 AM.

[*JB*]

Liar, liar, pants on fire.
It's a bit funny but I just had a dream that I was explaining to a government worker that my health care costs under Obamacare will see a huge increase.

Roger,

For an example -- when a individual male has to get maternity/prenatal coverage, it's ridiculous.

The other shocks are JUST starting to "come" to the most ardent supporters of the ACA and the President....they are the ones screaming the most.

BTW -- do people know that a top exec with the company hired to mess up the web site is a long time friend of the First Lady.

[Rogerdodger]

Socialist dictators force the masses into cattle cars and lie about their "final destination." Patriot "Extremists" attempt to defund the train. Idiots focus on "glitches" in the train schedule.

Edited by Rogerdodger, 30 October 2013 - 01:45 PM.

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Obamacare Forces Couples To Consider Divorce...
The issue is that a family of only two which makes more than $62,000 does not qualify for subsidies under the Affordable Care Act. But if they live together unmarried, they would qualify for the subsidies and could literally save hundreds of dollars a month on their health care.
A single person can qualify for subsidies if they make less than $46,000 a year.
"It's really complicated," Aronowitz said. "Go on the website, you'll see what I mean."

The Great Society continues to destroy the fabric of humanity.
The "Great Society" Fails our children, families

CENSUS: 49.7 Million Americans Living in Poverty...

Edited by Rogerdodger, 07 November 2013 - 01:07 AM.

[Rogerdodger]

"Obama Care By Morning" sung by Brad Paisley and Carrie Underwood.
“I started signing up last Thursday and I’m almost done,” quipped Underwood

"Over Six People Served"