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#21 colion

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Posted 05 May 2014 - 06:05 AM

Obama's $10.10 minimum wage was analyzed in February by CBO (http://www.cbo.gov/s...MinimumWage.pdf) and is a mixed bag. The report said:

1 - Increasing the minimum wage to $10.10 would reduce jobs by 2016 by 500,000.

2 - Increasing the minimum wage to $10.10 would apply to 16MM people and 1MM of this group would then be above the poverty line.

3 - Families with minimum wage workers often are above the poverty line ($24K for family of four). 20% of a minimum wage increase would go to families that are below the poverty line.

4 - Raising the minimum wage to $9 and the $10.10 would reduce job loss to 100,000.

As with any analysis of this type there are assumptions and one can quibble with these but no matter how one slices and dices it raising the minimum wage is not a "golden dawn" or "teotwawki". Most importantly imo is that this is not a job creator which is what the government should be addressing.

Edited by colion, 05 May 2014 - 06:06 AM.


#22 Rogerdodger

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Posted 05 May 2014 - 08:54 AM

Most importantly imo is that this is not a job creator which is what the government should be addressing.


BINGO!

And the best way the government can "create" market driven jobs is to get out of the way.

Excessive REGULATIONS are killing the U.S. now, in addition to the constantly evolving Obamacare regulations and exemptions.
"Obama added $20 billion in new regulatory costs just last year. Every year there are over 3,500 new rules that come …"

Liberal Ex-Congressman Opens Restaurant, Realizes Government Regulations Suck
"It took us a ridiculous amount of time to get our permits. I understand regulations and . . . the necessity for it. But we lost six months of business because of that. It's very frustrating."

How American Dreams Are Stifled by Government Regulations
The more government "protects" us, the more it puts obstacles in the way of trying new things. It does that every time it taxes, regulates, and standardizes the way things are done. Simultaneously, government offers "compassion"—welfare and unemployment benefits.
Faced with the choice of collecting unemployment or putting your own money at risk and hiring an army of lawyers to deal with business regulations, I understand why people don't bother trying. When that attitude is pervasive, the American dream dies.

See: FASCISM
"dictatorial movement: any movement, ideology, or attitude that favors dictatorial government, centralized control of private enterprise, repression of all opposition, (read IRS) and extreme nationalism"

Edited by Rogerdodger, 05 May 2014 - 09:01 AM.


#23 Rogerdodger

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Posted 05 May 2014 - 02:26 PM

90,000 Nevada Residents Could Lose Health Insurance Due To Obamacare...
Worst poll yet for Dems...


The law’s employer coverage mandate doesn’t take effect until 2015, but early plan renewals are starting to roll in.
Local insurance brokers are reporting spikes ranging from 35 percent to 120 percent on policies that renew from July to December.
Moderately skilled or low-skilled people making $8 to $14 an hour working for landscaping businesses, fire-prevention firms or fencing companies could lose work-based coverage because the plans cost so much relative to salaries.
Employees who keep their coverage might see leaner take-home pay, which could hurt the economy.
One business client whose monthly premiums will rise from $160 to $340 in June plans to shift most of the increase onto his employees.

No doubt liars.

Edited by Rogerdodger, 05 May 2014 - 02:34 PM.


#24 Lee48

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Posted 05 May 2014 - 07:50 PM

Nearly 2,400 years ago, the Greek philosophers Plato and Aristotle explored political philosophy. Aristotle concluded that “it is evident that the form of government is best in which every man, whoever he is, can act best and live happily.”

In Philadelphia some 2,000 years after Plato and Aristotle’s time, a group of men was trying to write a constitution. George Washington, James Madison, and the other framers of the Constitution were dedicated to constructing a just government. Americans had overthrown what they considered a tyrannous British government. The framers wanted to create a national government free of tyranny, governed by the rule of law.

The new American nation was quite different from the ancient Greek city-states. Still, many of the framers at Philadelphia had studied and understood Plato’s and Aristotle’s political philosophies. And they were grappling with many of the same political questions.

Tyranny and the Rule of Law

Plato and Aristotle both developed important ideas about government and politics. Two of the many political subjects that these men wrote about were tyranny and the rule of law. Tyranny occurs when absolute power is granted to a ruler. In a tyrannical government, the ruler becomes corrupt and uses his power to further his own interests instead of working for the common good.

The rule of law is the principle that no one is exempt from the law, even those who are in a position of power. The rule of law can serve as a safeguard against tyranny, because just laws ensure that rulers do not become corrupt.

1. [T]he best political community is formed by citizens of the middle class, and that those states are likely to be well-administered in which the middle class is large, and stronger if possible than both the other classes . . . . —Aristotle

2. The best laws, though sanctioned by every citizen of the state, will be of no avail unless the young are trained by habit and education in the spirit of the constitution . . . . —Aristotle

3. [I]f law is the master of the government and the government is its slave, then the situation is full of promise and men enjoy all the blessings that the gods shower on a state. —Plato

4. If the poor . . . because they are more in number, divide among themselves the property of the rich—is not this unjust? . . . But is it just then that the few and the wealthy should be the rulers? And what if they, in like manner, rob and plunder the people—is this just? —Aristotle

5. The people have always some champion whom they set over them and nurse into greatness. . . . This and no other is the root from which a tyrant springs; when he first appears above ground he is a protector. . . having a mob entirely at his disposal . . . . —Plato

#25 AChartist

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Posted 05 May 2014 - 08:52 PM

It's all about the references that I have been posting.

It is the general orders 100 martial law since 1863, considerable pomp is invested in allusion.
14th amend reconstructed this constitution into the constitution, through the private corporate legal fiction.
Legal, is a private corporate statutes condoning that which is unlawful.
All manner of public Law ( constitution ) is circumvented by private Statute ( demonocracy ).
Consent of the governed is volunteered by silence and implied by signing commercial contracts, voter registration, SS-5, 1040, W-4.
Consent to be governed can be lawfully removed through US code, too bad thats a little late for most after they
taxed the lifetime of labor into poverty, and killed the currency of stored labor.

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some of them, and they don't work"  M.Jordan


#26 Rogerdodger

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Posted 05 May 2014 - 10:38 PM

Nearly 2,400 years ago, the Greek philosophers Plato and Aristotle explored political philosophy. Aristotle concluded that "it is evident that the form of government is best in which every man, whoever he is, can act best and live happily."

In Philadelphia some 2,000 years after Plato and Aristotle's time, a group of men was trying to write a constitution. George Washington, James Madison, and the other framers of the Constitution were dedicated to constructing a just government. Americans had overthrown what they considered a tyrannous British government. The framers wanted to create a national government free of tyranny, governed by the rule of law.

The new American nation was quite different from the ancient Greek city-states. Still, many of the framers at Philadelphia had studied and understood Plato's and Aristotle's political philosophies. And they were grappling with many of the same political questions.

Tyranny and the Rule of Law

Plato and Aristotle both developed important ideas about government and politics. Two of the many political subjects that these men wrote about were tyranny and the rule of law. Tyranny occurs when absolute power is granted to a ruler. In a tyrannical government, the ruler becomes corrupt and uses his power to further his own interests instead of working for the common good.

The rule of law is the principle that no one is exempt from the law, even those who are in a position of power. The rule of law can serve as a safeguard against tyranny, because just laws ensure that rulers do not become corrupt.

1. [T]he best political community is formed by citizens of the middle class, and that those states are likely to be well-administered in which the middle class is large, and stronger if possible than both the other classes . . . . —Aristotle

2. The best laws, though sanctioned by every citizen of the state, will be of no avail unless the young are trained by habit and education in the spirit of the constitution . . . . —Aristotle

3. [I]f law is the master of the government and the government is its slave, then the situation is full of promise and men enjoy all the blessings that the gods shower on a state. —Plato

4. If the poor . . . because they are more in number, divide among themselves the property of the rich—is not this unjust? . . . But is it just then that the few and the wealthy should be the rulers? And what if they, in like manner, rob and plunder the people—is this just? —Aristotle

5. The people have always some champion whom they set over them and nurse into greatness. . . . This and no other is the root from which a tyrant springs; when he first appears above ground he is a protector. . . having a mob entirely at his disposal . . . . —Plato


Awesome stuff.

We are doomed. <_<

#27 Rogerdodger

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Posted 05 May 2014 - 10:42 PM

Lies, Damned Lies and Bogus Statistics...
You don't need to be a Princeton economist to know that the 8 milllion net figure, while laudable, is not as important as the demographic mix; young Americans are not joining up.
And let's not forget the ultimate fabrication, ""If you like the plan you have, you can keep it. If you like the doctor you have, you can keep your doctor, too."
A new Washington Post-ABC poll shows that the Obamacare debate is not over:
. By a two-to-one margin, more people think the quality of care they receive is getting worse rather than better under Obamacare (29 percent to 14 percent). A majority says the quality has stayed the same.
. By a two-to-one margin, more people think the nation's health care system is getting worse, not better (44 percent to 24 percent). Less than a third say the quality of U.S. health care is about the same.
. Nearly half of Americans say their personal health care costs are increasing under Obamacare (47 percent). Just 8 percent report decreases.
. A strong majority say the overall costs of the U.S. health care system are increasing (58 percent). Just 11 percent see decreases.

And the worst hasn't even kicked in yet for most people.

Off and trudging forward...Obamacare begins its long march...to Auschwitz?
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Edited by Rogerdodger, 05 May 2014 - 10:53 PM.


#28 salsabob

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Posted 06 May 2014 - 11:34 AM

Lies, Damned Lies and Bogus Statistics...
You don't need to be a Princeton economist to know that the 8 milllion net figure, while laudable, is not as important as the demographic mix; young Americans are not joining up.
And let's not forget the ultimate fabrication, ""If you like the plan you have, you can keep it. If you like the doctor you have, you can keep your doctor, too."
A new Washington Post-ABC poll shows that the Obamacare debate is not over:
. By a two-to-one margin, more people think the quality of care they receive is getting worse rather than better under Obamacare (29 percent to 14 percent). A majority says the quality has stayed the same.
. By a two-to-one margin, more people think the nation's health care system is getting worse, not better (44 percent to 24 percent). Less than a third say the quality of U.S. health care is about the same.
. Nearly half of Americans say their personal health care costs are increasing under Obamacare (47 percent). Just 8 percent report decreases.
. A strong majority say the overall costs of the U.S. health care system are increasing (58 percent). Just 11 percent see decreases.

And the worst hasn't even kicked in yet for most people.

Off and trudging forward...Obamacare begins its long march...to Auschwitz?
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You're title is particularly relevant when one understands that Obamacare has nothing to do with the insurance held by 75-80% of the population, the ones that already had employer-base insurance or govt insurance (Medicare), or are illegal immigrants.

But keep up the misinformation and hyperbole - you're doing a fine job of supporting the need for single payer for everyone. :swoon:

Now back to the front lines of the protesters with their signs - "Keep the Govt-ment socialist hands off my Medicare!" :lol:
John Galt shrugged, outsourced to Red China and opened a hedge fund for unregulated securitized credit derivatives.

If the world didn't suck, wouldn't we all just fly off?

#29 Rogerdodger

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Posted 06 May 2014 - 12:25 PM

Nurse on Obamacare: Law is a 'Killer'...

The Affordable Care Act means more and sicker patients are entering hospitals, and less comprehensive and timely health care.
As the first enrollees in the Affordable Care Act begin seeking care at my hospital, I wonder how my practice as a Registered Nurse will change. We’re told the goal of the new law is to remodel healthcare in the United States into a system that promotes wellness and prevention, rather than just providing care to sick people. This seems like a great objective, but I worry that the switch may compromise the quality of the care our patients receive.

...During that shift, one of my other patients said, “You must be busy. I haven’t seen you all night.” My heart sank.
While I hope the ACA will get care to millions of other Americans, I worry that it may make it harder for people to get comprehensive, timely care from trained and compassionate health care practitioners, including nurses like me.


I heard a similar statement just a week or so ago from a local nurse.
More lies and hyperbole no doubt.

Edited by Rogerdodger, 06 May 2014 - 12:35 PM.


#30 colion

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Posted 06 May 2014 - 12:29 PM

You're title is particularly relevant when one understands that Obamacare has nothing to do with the insurance held by 75-80% of the population, the ones that already had employer-base insurance or govt insurance (Medicare), or are illegal immigrants.



75-80% will not be the case for long. It is now projected that 90% will lose employer health insurance by 2020 (http://www.fatwallet...care_4_29_3.pdf). This would be another step toward Obama's ultimate goal of a single payer government system. Unless Obamacare's negative polls change this will not happen. The good thing about Obamacare is that its few good aspects will be retained within a framework of a meaningful reform of the healthcare system.