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#11 Rogerdodger

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Posted 22 August 2021 - 08:57 PM

You don't need "no stinkin' masks" with your head cut off!

 

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I remember the foretelling story about Egypt's plagues and the failure of their gods to protect them.

Likewise, today it's failure of CDC, WHO, UN, Government, Media, Higher Education, Science, Technology, etc.

In fact, it may be the fault of "scientific" efforts to save mankind that brought us this virus..


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#12 dwnowhere1

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Posted 22 August 2021 - 09:24 PM

 

I remember the foretelling story about Egypt's plagues and the failure of their gods to protect them.

Likewise, today it's failure of CDC, WHO, UN, Government, Media, Higher Education, Science, Technology, etc.

In fact, it may be the fault of "scientific" efforts to save mankind that brought us this virus..

Rogerdodger:

I trust this post is "tongue in cheek" and you're kidding.

 

The only consistency has been from the scientific community.

I do agree that the messaging got off to a bad start because of trying to counter outlandish statements by

of some of our elected officials.

Sadly, IMHO, those officials, while given the authority by our votes, are totally unqualified to be making these decisions.

COVID has really pointed out how important it is to do your research and know why and who you are voting for.

Based on the number of elected officials that have been convicted of crimes, it shows how often the public gets it Wrong!



#13 chem

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Posted 22 August 2021 - 11:49 PM

You don't need "no stinkin' masks" with your head cut off!

 

No-Masks.jpg

 

I remember the foretelling story about Egypt's plagues and the failure of their gods to protect them.

Likewise, today it's failure of CDC, WHO, UN, Government, Media, Higher Education, Science, Technology, etc.

In fact, it may be the fault of "scientific" efforts to save mankind that brought us this virus..

RD,

 

The parallelism of the unscientific way that sars-cov-2 and man-made climate change was/is approached is beyond striking. The success in Con-vincing the public that CO2 causes global warming was used as a road map. Pump a message and squelch dissent then you don't need facts or proof to have the public believe whatever edict you wish to promulgate. I would add the NIH and FDA to your above referenced entities for good measure...



#14 Rogerdodger

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Posted 23 August 2021 - 09:07 PM

The success in Con-vincing the public that CO2 causes global warming was used as a road map. Pump a message and squelch dissent

 

Real Science:

CO2-4-beads-vs-10-000.jpg



#15 claire

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Posted 23 August 2021 - 10:54 PM

 

The success in Con-vincing the public that CO2 causes global warming was used as a road map. Pump a message and squelch dissent

 

Real Science:

CO2-4-beads-vs-10-000.jpg

 

 

 

Is this image supposed to imply that CO2 isn't very important?  Or does it point to how important even a small increase in CO2 can be? About 60-150 million years ago, when dinosaurs roamed the earth, there was about 3-5x more CO2 than now (12-20 beads in that jar). Temperatures were about 5 degrees C higher than now (41 degrees F) sea levels were 50-100 meters higher. It took millions of years for this huge increase in CO2. We're moving far more quickly.



#16 claire

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Posted 24 August 2021 - 12:12 AM

The same people who were posting here many months ago that the dangers of infection with Covid was fake news and no worse than the flu are now posting that efforts to contain it are useless or simply a way to limit your freedom to infect others, and that vaccines are useless or dangerous.  Meanwhile, well over 600,000 people have died and multiples of that number may be left with lifelong damage to their health.

 

Some insisted that we would have herd immunity by the peak of the first wave so we should do nothing and let natural immunity take over. You paid no heed to the warning that it would take far higher percentages for herd immunity while hospitals and morgues would be overrun and variants would appear more quickly. You are still eager to find trivial nonsense to refute the conclusions of the scientific consensus and equally eager to quote arcane sources of quackery to challenge these conclusions. 

 

Hospitals in states that refuse to comply with common sense precautions are now being swamped, requesting help from other hospitals. and setting up tents to care for the sick as well as turning away other sick people they can't care for properly under these conditions.

 

You decry the damage to the economy of any restrictions. What do you think will happen to the economy with the virus running rampant? And what will the costs be for healthcare now and in the future? Do you have any idea how much it costs for a hospital stay for Covid treatment? The average is $78.000. Do you believe that those  hospitalized who refused vaccinations should pay for this - or should it be subsidized by the government or wind up leading to all health insurance costs go up to cover this? 

 

Do you believe you should have the right to infect others freely because masks offer less than perfect protection? Why not eliminate DWI laws? And what about no masks for children who will be returning to school and are more vulnerable to the Delta variant. If we wait long enough to limit the spread of Delta, the next variant may not work at all to protect those who are vaccinated which will probably lead some of you to conclude that vaccinations don't work. 

 

We are fortunate enough to live in a wealthy nation that had the means and ability to contain this virus, and we are especially fortunate to have produced vaccines that are so effective with miniscule danger. Yet, we have among the highest rates of infections and deaths worldwide because we have thrown monkey wrenches into the works to thwart every effort. 

 

The Delta variant is far more contagious and more deadly, even to the young and healthy. It seems that some people with no preexisting conditions have a genetic proclivity to produce a strong reaction. This isn't understood and can't be predicted, leading to surprisingly severe illness and death to some who are young, healthy and fit. The more cases there are, the more likely it is that variants will occur, and the next iterations of this virus can be even worse.  

 

I have no expectation that those of you who hold fast to your vaccine and mask conspiracy theories will continue to keep those convictions. My only reason to post is the hope that just one person reading this post may reconsider some of thing they've heard or read. If may save your life or those who are close to you.



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Posted 24 August 2021 - 10:03 AM

My only conspiracy theory about the virus is China released it to make the world like them in the authoritarian sense. Why wouldn't they? They are actively committing genocide and have a history of not caring about human lives and the virus conveniently came out of a city that had the right kind of lab to do it. It wouldn't even take that many people knowing about the conspiracy to pull it off. Now they just lie about their cases so that doing their draconian lockdowns will somehow make the virus barely come back in the eyes of other politicians.



#18 claire

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Posted 24 August 2021 - 11:21 AM

My only conspiracy theory about the virus is China released it to make the world like them in the authoritarian sense. Why wouldn't they? They are actively committing genocide and have a history of not caring about human lives and the virus conveniently came out of a city that had the right kind of lab to do it. It wouldn't even take that many people knowing about the conspiracy to pull it off. Now they just lie about their cases so that doing their draconian lockdowns will somehow make the virus barely come back in the eyes of other politicians.

 

 

Just because there can be a plausible argument for their motivation to do it doesn't mean that they did do it. Maybe they did and maybe they didn't, and maybe it was an accident. We have lots of conflicting evidence and simply don't know. Sometimes we have to live with the ambiguity of not knowing without rushing to conclusions.



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Posted 24 August 2021 - 12:07 PM

 

My only conspiracy theory about the virus is China released it to make the world like them in the authoritarian sense. Why wouldn't they? They are actively committing genocide and have a history of not caring about human lives and the virus conveniently came out of a city that had the right kind of lab to do it. It wouldn't even take that many people knowing about the conspiracy to pull it off. Now they just lie about their cases so that doing their draconian lockdowns will somehow make the virus barely come back in the eyes of other politicians.

 

 

Just because there can be a plausible argument for their motivation to do it doesn't mean that they did do it. Maybe they did and maybe they didn't, and maybe it was an accident. We have lots of conflicting evidence and simply don't know. Sometimes we have to live with the ambiguity of not knowing without rushing to conclusions.

 

True, and even if I'm right, not like I'm in a position to do anything other than get killed and scrubbed from the internet if I somehow did uncover some damning evidence. 



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Posted 24 August 2021 - 12:08 PM

Here are some interesting stats as of Aug 13th:

 

Overall cases to death rate around the world 2%

 

Overall cases to death rate in America 1.7%

 

In America death rate under 85 1.1%

                                   under 75 0.7%

                                   under 65 0.3%

                                   under 50 .07%

 

Overall cases to death rate in Florida where it is your choice what you do.....1.4%

Can't seem to find death rates by age if anyone has it please provide.

 

On the CDC website it also says 78% of all American deaths last year were people with "inflated bmi's" or in other words obese.  When you take that out of the factor this virus is no worse then the flu...  It's all pretty simple really, if you want to get the vaccine get it so then if you do catch it you'll likely just get a cold or the flu and just let it go open up the country.  Studies show that natural immunity is best and that unless your wearing an N95 mask its a waste of time.  The governments need to just let us live!!