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#11 pdx5

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Posted 04 January 2023 - 11:44 AM

Who can explain my recovery from an ugly attack of covid in less than 2 days? 42 hours to be exact ?

Here are the parameters. I exercise regularly. Can not even remember my last cold or flu. Must be 15+ years ago. Suddenly on Friday evening I am feeling feverish, body aching, feeling very weak, and non-stop dry cough. Could barely make it to bathroom to pee all day Saturday. Just bed rest all day and eat a little bit of soupy chicken stew. No ivermectin, no paxlovid or any other meds at home. The covid test kit had 2 bars indicating covid positive.

I wake up Sunday morning feeling almost normal! Only The dry cough remained for 3 weeks getting better every passing day. The covid did a number on my lungs.

So..was it my amazing physical condition at age 82 or was it the 4 jabs of vax?
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#12 K Wave

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Posted 05 January 2023 - 01:31 PM

 

What we need is to have better science not less science

 

And less/no political based "science"... (That ain't gonna happen. Too much cash waved about politicians and scientists' noses.)

 

Critical thought and analysis are required for the scientific process.

People were highly criticized for thinking outside the box and thinking about "repurposing" various drugs  such as Ivermectin.

Now, the most effective Covid drug (1st hand experience) after infection is...Paxlovid is an antiviral therapy that consists of two separate medications packaged together. 

One of them is....a "repurposed" drug Ritonavir!

 

Ritonavir is a "repurposed" drug originally used to treat HIV/AIDs!

 

Ritonavir, a drug that was once used to treat HIV/AIDS but is now used to boost levels of antiviral medicines. As a COVID-19 treatment, Ritonavir essentially shuts down Nirmatrelvir’s metabolism in the liver, so that it doesn’t move out of your body as quickly, which means it can work longer—giving it a boost to help fight the infection.

 

 

My goal is for me to be so this...
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You do realize that Paxlovid targets 3Clpro...just like...ahem...Ivermectin?

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm...les/PMC9283023/

Paxlovid is an active 3Cl protease inhibitor. Paxlovid exerts its antiviral efficacy by inhibiting a necessary protease in the viral replication procedure.

 

Way less side effects/rebound with Ivermectin.

 

Here is how Ivermectin does against 3CLpro
https://www.nature.c...003-020-01577-x

“Interestingly, as shown in Fig. 4, out of 13 OTDs only ivermectin completely blocked (>80%) the 3CLpro activity at 50 µM concentration.”

And

https://www.ncbi.nlm...les/PMC8526435/
“IVM's mode of action centres around the inhibition of the cytoplasmic-nuclear shuttling of viral proteins by disrupting the Importin heterodimer complex (IMPα/β1) and downregulating STAT3, thereby effectively reducing the cytokine storm. Furthermore, the ability of IVM to block the active sites of viral 3CLpro and S protein, disrupts important machinery such as viral replication and attachment."

I have yet to see it not work quickly in people I personally know who have taken it. Although certainly nothing is 100%

 


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Posted 05 January 2023 - 02:04 PM

Who can explain my recovery from an ugly attack of covid in less than 2 days? 42 hours to be exact ?

Here are the parameters. I exercise regularly. Can not even remember my last cold or flu. Must be 15+ years ago. Suddenly on Friday evening I am feeling feverish, body aching, feeling very weak, and non-stop dry cough. Could barely make it to bathroom to pee all day Saturday. Just bed rest all day and eat a little bit of soupy chicken stew. No ivermectin, no paxlovid or any other meds at home. The covid test kit had 2 bars indicating covid positive.

I wake up Sunday morning feeling almost normal! Only The dry cough remained for 3 weeks getting better every passing day. The covid did a number on my lungs.

So..was it my amazing physical condition at age 82 or was it the 4 jabs of vax?

 

I explained it in detail with science in previous post, If you want an answer read it, it seems you don't and that's ok but seems pointless to keep asking something i've answer, and I offered

 to go into it more if you want.

https://www.traders-...te-ot/?p=881873

 

As I said there, the fact u haven't been sick for 15 years but now got sick suggest your immune system is now weaker as result of the shots, logically.


Edited by EntropyModel, 05 January 2023 - 02:06 PM.

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Posted 05 January 2023 - 02:31 PM

It's all so simple, just look at the stats.  For example, study out of the EU shows that atheletes who have been vaxxed has now seen an increase of 29 heart problems per year to 1500, quite the jump and statistically proves that the vax affects people but not every single person.  It doesn't make sense to go by what one person does.  Another example is that of my 15 plus friends who are unvaxxed have never had covid again.  My 25 plus friends who are all vaxxed have had it a minimum of 3 times each.  Gotta look at the broader view!! 



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Posted 05 January 2023 - 02:34 PM

Anti viral drugs - Just be aware nothing is 'for free' - there are downsides to all medicine if used excessively or inappropriately.

 

In case of Protease inhibitors there are known issues, just as with all anti virals - because in general the biological mechanisms viruses use are hard

to differentiate from normal cellular functions & cellular signals.

https://www.webmd.co...ease-inhibitors

 

One issue with anti virals is unless you take them all the time, which is not recommended in drug case, you won't take them until viral load is high enough to cause symptoms i.e. high, likely 48hours+ into infection, but

they will work in most cases to reduce severity and time to resolution.  

 

Your best bet though is a strong innate immune response through good 'general health' (big topic) ..and avoiding large viral exposures through avoiding obviously sick people & washing hands frequently.

 

Also there are plenty of less aggressive anti viral that have less side effects you can take on going, for example 

 - low dose zinc

 - quercetin

 - vitamin D status

 

On on acute basis

 - Lomatium  - https://www.scienced...cience/lomatium

 & andiographis

 

So in summary if you want to reduce risk of viral illness & severity

1. Strengthen innate immunity through moderate exercise, healthy diet, enough sleep, reduce stress

2. Take natural anti virals on ongoing basis, especially during winter.

3. Have drug anti virals at hand if you notice symptoms - and try to notice them as early as possible makes a huge difference. For example, severe unexplained fatigue is usually earliest sign.


Edited by EntropyModel, 05 January 2023 - 02:40 PM.

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#16 EntropyModel

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Posted 05 January 2023 - 02:57 PM

It's all so simple, just look at the stats.  For example, study out of the EU shows that atheletes who have been vaxxed has now seen an increase of 29 heart problems per year to 1500, quite the jump and statistically proves that the vax affects people but not every single person.  It doesn't make sense to go by what one person does.  Another example is that of my 15 plus friends who are unvaxxed have never had covid again.  My 25 plus friends who are all vaxxed have had it a minimum of 3 times each.  Gotta look at the broader view!! 

 

yeah but they won't believe that data because the population has been trained to only believe what the 'ministry of truth' tells them - Govt/Pharma/MSM complex ... the fact that people are suddenly only believe what Govt tells them when everyone

 knows previously Govt lie is sign of mass psychosis, but I digress. :-) ..and Pharma who profit from their ill health, and MSM who is paid lies.

 

So this is a 'religion' or 'cult' of sorts - with Govt/Pharma the 'divine' and anyone whos' data challenges it are attacked as  heretics with burning via internet de-platforming.

 

It mass mind control,  with the most insidious part those in the cult are programmed to believe they following some sort of truth, refusing to examine any data or science that

 proves the divine leadership wrong. They also get the social responsibility endorphin reward of 'being good citizen following orders' , and attacking all non believers, including

wanting them to lose careers, and be forcibility injected for a threat no bigger than a bad flu  - sounds totally rational and normal to me yinyang.gif

 

So you can't use reason, logic, science, data or any other method to 'de- program from the cult, it will go on until the PTB decide to change the program to something else.


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#17 K Wave

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Posted 05 January 2023 - 09:55 PM

It has now reached mainstream awareness in UK at least...

 

https://twitter.com/...ICw2drPxdssAAAA

 

UK excess deaths are off the scale. The vast majority are non Covid deaths. Sky News: “We don’t know what is driving those excess deaths.”

 

But we have no clue why...what could it possibly be???rolleyes.gif


 

 


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Posted 05 January 2023 - 10:23 PM

Anti viral drugs - Just be aware nothing is 'for free' - there are downsides to all medicine if used excessively or inappropriately.

 

In case of Protease inhibitors there are known issues, just as with all anti virals - because in general the biological mechanisms viruses use are hard

to differentiate from normal cellular functions & cellular signals.

https://www.webmd.co...ease-inhibitors

 

One issue with anti virals is unless you take them all the time, which is not recommended in drug case, you won't take them until viral load is high enough to cause symptoms i.e. high, likely 48hours+ into infection, but

they will work in most cases to reduce severity and time to resolution.  

 

Your best bet though is a strong innate immune response through good 'general health' (big topic) ..and avoiding large viral exposures through avoiding obviously sick people & washing hands frequently.

 

Also there are plenty of less aggressive anti viral that have less side effects you can take on going, for example 

 - low dose zinc

 - quercetin

 - vitamin D status

 

On on acute basis

 - Lomatium  - https://www.scienced...cience/lomatium

 & andiographis

 

So in summary if you want to reduce risk of viral illness & severity

1. Strengthen innate immunity through moderate exercise, healthy diet, enough sleep, reduce stress

2. Take natural anti virals on ongoing basis, especially during winter.

3. Have drug anti virals at hand if you notice symptoms - and try to notice them as early as possible makes a huge difference. For example, severe unexplained fatigue is usually earliest sign.

Yup, that is what I just had, big time fatigue, after I got a bit run down after staying up late too many nights getting a bunch of year end stuff done.

And then, shortly after, the body aches started. Normally in the past...way before covid...this would mean I was likely going to be in for a prolonged 6-7 day flu-like illness.

 

I might not have taken anything, and saw how it went, but I had box seats at a College Bowl game in 3 days time (where I got to see the worst defense in College Football history, unfortunately from my team), so I jumped right on the Ivermectin, and added some extra naps.

Never even got to the point of real sickness. It can be shocking how fast the stuff starts to work if taken early on, usually 1st dose stalls things, and 2nd dose sees improvement, and by day 3 in this case (and a lot of cases), was very close to normal.

 

In any event, glad the Covid experience alerted me to a great new flu-fighting weapon. Getting de-wormed at the same time a nice added benefit.laugh.png


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Posted 06 January 2023 - 12:32 PM

Yep K-wave .. and for anyone else here is what actually happens  so you can try to note it as early as possible

 

1. Exposure - you are exposed to a virus by a person coughing, sneezing or intimate contact, also sometimes on surfaces or airborne - hence keep distance for sick people and wash hands.

2. Infection - the virus must 'attach' to cells  - in many cases it WILL NOT - key

-> Size of VIRAL LOAD EXPOSURE  - the less there is , the lower probability the virus will attach, more there is the higher the probability and more attachment.

-> experiments show its actually VERY difficult to get attachment, and most exposure do NOT lead to infection ! ..contrary to hysteria in MSM and b.s. science ...

 

3. Viral Replications begins - lets say you were exposed to 1 million Virus capsids - maybe 1% attach, you now have 10,000 virus load that begin to multiply (using translation at rate of e-rt i.e. exponential potential)

-> so the SIZE of the initial exposure is KEY, if you start with a low load versus high, its going to take the virus a long time to infect alot of cells ..which matters due to (4) next.

 

NOTE at this point, you feel NOTHING - no symptoms 

 

4. Innate immune response - 

The first part of immune response is the most complex to explain, but simplistically .

  - A virus or any foreign antigen has a different 'code' protein - so the body can tell its not 'part of self' but foreign 

 - once a foreign protein is detected ... it launches an attack via Natural killers cells, and interferon and other  to kill the cell and stop it replicating (seems a bit drastic to kill cells, but we have alot ! 26 trillion)

- Special receptors on cells have 'pattern recognition' to previous viruses (type of memory) and work with 'toll receptors' (like toll booth) to block the virus entering the cell and using translation to replicate.

^ this is the FIRST and most important line of defence.

 

NOTE - childrens and very health people innate response is so powerful, most viruses are destroyed in this response! 

 

>>>DURING (4) ..to produce these immune soldier, a cell pathway called IL6 is believed to be 'upregulated' - THIS is what produced first syptoms of

 - FATIGUE and often a Slight MOOD DROP ...these are what to watch for as at this point, the virus load is smaller (first 24-48 hours) and ANTI VIRALs taken here, will allow INNATE response to destroy the existing viral load, that

 is anti viral buy time  ...if you wait PAST 48 hours the viral load can be very high, and then anti virals will be less effecitve ...see (5) ( all this varies on normal distribution of genetic variation i.e. some people would still find them effective at later points)

 

(5) Adaptive response - so called anti bodies

The virus in in cells and also in the blood  ...it must be removed from both.  

5.1 If you have previous exposure to the virus - 

5.1.1 AND you have 'circulating sterilizing antibodies' - they will also immediately remove the virus. But these 'dwindle' over time when you aren't exposed ...

5.1.2. You do NOT have sterilzing antibodies - due to no recent exposure ...then they are remade from 'immune imprint memory of T and B cells' (one for inside cell antibodies, and one for blood)

 

5.2 You have no previous exposure -  this will be worst case. 

 - if innate immunity failed to prevent increase in viral load (due to being older and not healthy) 

 - then viral load will be high, and you will get 'very sick' as immune soldiers try to kill the virus( remove it)

 - what happens is complex but essentially the virus is like a 'key' and the cell a 'lock' - and the immune system must identify that key and change the lock! ..its a complex combination lock ..what immune system

does is look at ALL previous exposure viruses and try variation of those combination locks ..

 - So worst case is a NOVEL virus key ...that is so different to anything in your exposure history ..it takes a long time to match it ...and viral load gets so high (this happened in COVID for many )

(note. but this stores a STRONg IMPRINT in T/B cells for next time - so natural immunity gives a very strong protection, actually better than any vaccine can for complex reasons i'm leaving out ..but can go over...)

 

So to summerize

 - minimize exposure load size

 - recognize infection early as possible

 - use anti virals at that point

 - be as 'healthy as possible' to strengthen innate response .

 

Note. this is why lockdowns were to damaging to children immune systems, this was known science obviously, as lack of exposure in childhood prevents them get the T/B cell imprints to variations needed and same for innate response.

 

This leaves out important details, but maybe is helpful to some.


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Posted 07 January 2023 - 10:53 AM

I'm not sure why you would post this on a trading website. Does this information lead you to a fearless forecast? Should we short MRNA?

 

True info should be shouted out everywhere. Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the desire to help your fellow man and to expose evil?