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#1 pdx5

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Posted 27 October 2023 - 01:11 PM

I was just watching Fox Business TV and the economist from Parthenon showed a chart of card board box demand plummeting to 2009 levels. Is this a reliable indicator?

 

May be they are shipping more stuff in plastic bags ( I get a lot of those) or may be the recycling of cardboard boxes is distorting these numbers. However the demand was high in 2022. And nose dived in 2023.  


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Posted 27 October 2023 - 02:05 PM

I still get a lot in cardboard. But we still buy a lot of stuff from AMZN.


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Posted 27 October 2023 - 02:22 PM

I still get a lot in cardboard. But we still buy a lot of stuff from AMZN.

No kidding, it is a major chore for me to cut up huge card board boxes to place them in recycle container, every week. 

Walmart delivery is free if order > $35. And their prices are competitive with Amazon. 


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Posted 27 October 2023 - 02:56 PM

I'm not really surprised by this as I keep getting calls lately from my box supplier looking for new business.

 

Best thing about this though is that prices should start going down to meet the lesser demand.

 

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Posted 27 October 2023 - 03:08 PM

The last few cruises that I was on we kept seeing huge cargo ships heading south. (To Panama Canal likely)

I was told they were mostly loaded with cardboard headed back to China for recycling, To be shipped back to Amazon full of products.

 

Boxes also make great homes for the ever increasing homelessness.

 

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Posted 27 October 2023 - 03:16 PM

I was just watching Fox Business TV and the economist from Parthenon showed a chart of card board box demand plummeting to 2009 levels. Is this a reliable indicator?

 

May be they are shipping more stuff in plastic bags ( I get a lot of those) or may be the recycling of cardboard boxes is distorting these numbers. However the demand was high in 2022. And nose dived in 2023.  

No, many Fox News viewers will be living in card board boxes soon.



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Posted 27 October 2023 - 03:20 PM

 

I was just watching Fox Business TV and the economist from Parthenon showed a chart of card board box demand plummeting to 2009 levels. Is this a reliable indicator?

 

May be they are shipping more stuff in plastic bags ( I get a lot of those) or may be the recycling of cardboard boxes is distorting these numbers. However the demand was high in 2022. And nose dived in 2023.  

 

No, many Fox News viewers will be living in card board boxes soon.

 

 

And CNN and MSNBC and the Associated Press and the New York Times and the Washington Post and Reuters and the BBC...the list goes on and on.

 

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Posted 27 October 2023 - 03:27 PM

 

 

I was just watching Fox Business TV and the economist from Parthenon showed a chart of card board box demand plummeting to 2009 levels. Is this a reliable indicator?

 

May be they are shipping more stuff in plastic bags ( I get a lot of those) or may be the recycling of cardboard boxes is distorting these numbers. However the demand was high in 2022. And nose dived in 2023.  

 

No, many Fox News viewers will be living in card board boxes soon.

 

 

And CNN and MSNBC and the Associated Press and the New York Times and the Washington Post and Reuters and the BBC...the list goes on and on.

 

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One thing I could thin of the financial crisis decline in cardboard was due to the housing bust, ther was a lot of moving going on then there wasn't.



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Posted 27 October 2023 - 04:26 PM

So here is the thing.   We do a lot of Amazon, and I can say we get the same amount of stuff but more things are coming in plastic and paper durable envelops, so it doesn't surprise me less cardboard.   Also, I do think people are ordering less on line.   Costco and Sams are busier than ever.



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Posted 28 October 2023 - 05:31 AM

 

 

 

I was just watching Fox Business TV and the economist from Parthenon showed a chart of card board box demand plummeting to 2009 levels. Is this a reliable indicator?

 

May be they are shipping more stuff in plastic bags ( I get a lot of those) or may be the recycling of cardboard boxes is distorting these numbers. However the demand was high in 2022. And nose dived in 2023.  

 

No, many Fox News viewers will be living in card board boxes soon.

 

 

And CNN and MSNBC and the Associated Press and the New York Times and the Washington Post and Reuters and the BBC...the list goes on and on.

 

Fib

 

One thing I could thin of the financial crisis decline in cardboard was due to the housing bust, ther was a lot of moving going on then there wasn't.

 

Sellers are reluctant to sell.

Prices have suddenly dropped from what they were last year and 

 They can't afford to buy next house at 7.7+% mortgage interest. 

Job market is still strong, that is the key.


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