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[Chilidawgz]

Lol, you know the answer already, she is a cutie about 22 years old...woohoo!

[maineman]

but few people believe my approach....

Truth is an open book. Real medicine, real science is universal and available to anyone.
Anyone who is claiming to have a "secret" formula or "private" cure is full of baloney. I am only stating the obvious.

It is okay to have different opinions. Share them, debate them, show your data, show your proof. If you cannot defend, scientifically, a scientific point, then I would suggest that point is false.

Anyone who has taken the responsiblity of someone else's health must be held accountable. What one does for themself is entirely different. Feel free to do as you please. BUT, if you are in a position of telling other people about their LIFE and their BODY, you must take that responsiblity seriously and be willing to disclose your data and subject your diagnosis and treatment to open scrutiny.

mm

[da_cheif]

the best alternative to viagra is turning back the clock to high school......snort....otherwise eat like a gorilla......nothing but raw veggies n fruit n ********..........on wed....a biopsy for me....psa 4.35 fpsa 10.....wtf eh.......

[Rogerdodger]

Good Luck Cheif.
I stood in a line 1 1/2 hours last week for a free screening. PSA and DRE.

Don't know what to think about it.

Why is the PSA test controversial in screening? Using the PSA test to screen men for prostate cancer is controversial because it is not yet known if this test actually saves lives. Moreover, it is not clear if the benefits of PSA screening outweigh the risks of follow-up diagnostic tests and cancer treatments. For example, the PSA test may detect small cancers that would never become life threatening. This situation, called overdiagnosis, puts men at risk for complications from unnecessary treatment such as surgery or radiation.

The procedure used to diagnose prostate cancer (prostate biopsy) may cause side effects, including bleeding and infection. Prostate cancer treatment may cause incontinence (inability to control urine flow) and erectile dysfunction (erections inadequate for intercourse). For these reasons, it is important that the benefits and risks of diagnostic procedures and treatment be taken into account when considering whether to undertake prostate cancer screening.

[SemiBizz]

I hate to bust anyone's bubble on their high horse here, but the answers are pretty simple. The medical and pharmaceutical truth of it is that a lot of syndromes are induced by the complications from these so called "wonder" drugs the doctors and big pharma push over the media. And if that's not true, why is there a whole laundry list of disclaimers in the commercials? If you think dealing with those evils is better for you than living a normal life til you die of natural causes, that choice is up to you. For me, I've seen what these drug pushers do to people. I'll take my chances living the rest of my life normally and die when it's time...with dignity.

Edited by SemiBizz, 17 September 2007 - 08:03 PM.

[da_cheif]

Good Luck Cheif.
I stood in a line 1 1/2 hours last week for a free screening. PSA and DRE.

Don't know what to think about it.

Why is the PSA test controversial in screening? Using the PSA test to screen men for prostate cancer is controversial because it is not yet known if this test actually saves lives. Moreover, it is not clear if the benefits of PSA screening outweigh the risks of follow-up diagnostic tests and cancer treatments. For example, the PSA test may detect small cancers that would never become life threatening. This situation, called overdiagnosis, puts men at risk for complications from unnecessary treatment such as surgery or radiation.

The procedure used to diagnose prostate cancer (prostate biopsy) may cause side effects, including bleeding and infection. Prostate cancer treatment may cause incontinence (inability to control urine flow) and erectile dysfunction (erections inadequate for intercourse). For these reasons, it is important that the benefits and risks of diagnostic procedures and treatment be taken into account when considering whether to undertake prostate cancer screening.

psa screening caused untold numbers of uneccesary biopsys till they came up with free psa analysis......and as far as the removal of the prostate.......the new davinci robotic and other robotics like VIP eliminats the problems with impotence, bleeding, erections and all the other problems associated with the old style of removal....
http://healthlink.mc...1018800849.html

http://www.malecare....e-cancer_77.htm

[maineman]

Much of the abuse of the PSA test was the result of a demanding public asking to have the PSA test taken. It was never intended to be a screening test for prostate cancer. Like other tumor markers, the idea was to use it to track the progress of disease and/or the result of treatment. However a hysteria quickly evolved around 15 - 20 years ago. Since then there has been an enormous increase in PSA tests taken with the result that false-positive tests have led to countless biopsies, fear, anxiety, etc. So it goes.... Whether free PSA will change that or not is yet to be seen. Don't be fooled by the hype with the robot technique. The results are not in yet... while it looks encouraging, problems still exist. Here's the deal with prostate cancer. It is a unique and slow growing tumor in most men. Knowing this should allow you to take a deep breath and consider many options before surging ahead with biopsies, etc. If you are over 70 you are probably better off just following the PSA. If the rate of change over time is slow, you can simply wait and watch. If the rate of change is rapid (and reproducable) then a biopsy would be warranted. People have done remarkably well with low dose external beam radiation, with and without hormone suppression. This leads to remission. Seed implant radiation offers no advantage and is invasive, but less time consuming up front compared with external beam RT. Nerve-sparing surgery is effective, but there are only a few really good surgeons in the country who can do this well. As mentioned, the robotic surgery looks promising.... will likely become the procedure of choice for younger men (the 50 ish crowd). Of all the diseases I treat, this has probably caused the most anxiety. The degree of misinformation is enormous. But our success rate is excellent, once we get everyone to take a deep breath and listen to the facts. mm

[SemiBizz]

I have a brother who had Prostate Cancer, he's doing just fine after his radioactive seed treatment... That was 10 years ago... I also understand that Andy Grove and others have had good luck with it... Another good friend of mine, on the other hand, decided on the robotic surgery.... he's now fully impotent... that was a year ago.

[maineman]

External beam RT is easily available locally. The treatment takes less than 5 minute 5 days a week and usually lasts 4 or 5 weeks. The only guys who chose seeds lived too far away to drive every day so chose seed for convenience. Two of the three had recurrence of PSA levels are are both currently at Lahey getting second opinions. The third guy is going okay so far, but has had a funny year with buring urine, low grade fevers and maiaise. One excellent way to approach the problem is this: start getting a PSA around 50 years old. Note the number. Look at the year over year change. If the PSA starts to double every year, that's a suspious sign. If it soars about 4 and appears to double and your doctor can prove to you that its not due to prostatis a biopsy should be done. If the biopsy shows cancer you will get a "GLEASON" score which stages the degree of tumor aggression. There is a formula that comprises PSA and Gleason score that can point you towards either external beam plus/minus hormone suppression. Or, as stated earlier, robot surgery if you are young and concerned about possible ED post treatment. mm

[SemiBizz]

Overall, Prostate cancer is one of the slowest to develop... Don't rush to a decision... do a thorough analysis before you make any decision on that robotic surgery that left my friend impotent.... I would investigate proton beam therapy. Loma Linda are leaders in that protocol.