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#31 stocks

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Posted 28 May 2014 - 05:15 PM

Britain's political class can't be replaced peacefully. The disintegration will continue.

They see the voters' revolt as a problem to be managed not a reason for change.

These parties, their spokesmen and the supposedly independent commentators who have been in their pockets and at their lunch tables for so long have no idea what has hit them.

They floundered to explain the UKIP vote, which they had all hoped to destroy with a tornado of smears. Well, the smears failed. The collusion between media and political parties failed. The BBC’s blatant bias failed.

Will this now turn into a real political change? That is very doubtful. The major parties still have huge resources, especially access to millionaire donors, to state aid and to the special treatment which the BBC gives them under broadcasting rules

And UKIP itself is a formless thing, a mixture of exiled Thatcherites, golf-club nostalgists and now of Labour defectors who might not feel much in common with their fellow-voters. It has no coherent position beyond departure from the EU, no real answer to the Left’s cultural and moral revolution,

I still see no clear way out of the deep steep-sided pit into which this country has been led by its political class. All that is happened is that we now know that we are *in* such a pit.


http://hitchensblog....-elections.html

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Posted 31 May 2014 - 08:56 AM

I dont see enough demon vision, keep an eye out for this.

This pig may be breaking up sooner than thought, 5-6 years?

On a national championship sport event, SI channel, they flashed a giant

center of field flag, I think it was 15 stars and stripes. I may have miscounted,

because I did a little research on where 15 could come from, at time of war of 1812

when british burned the capital with original documents, and rewrote the constitution

with the hidden and implied commercial contracts they wanted, and letting in british accredidation registry

esquires, from "the" constitution to "this" constitution among other unique "legal" operations,

there where 17 states, so if I see them flash this flag again I am very interest to recount,

was it 15 or 17 stars.


I am in agreement and observation with Merridith's call for the diaspora into the central corridor. It is a priority

of mine to set some roots in a free state, for a sanctuary, Texas may be best on allodial property rights.


Really the banks wont exist and maybe a small mortgage on remote free land will never really get paid,

particularly if I use an occult bank from one of the occult states. But still a big problem to hold enough back

of some form of permanent value, for years of property tax during the breakdown.



Here is a real time preview of the orwello/picetty/lagarde/summers plans


http://www.zerohedge...inflation-soars


Alas, the Ministry of Economics, Trade, and Industry just released a dose of reality. Total retail sales in April plunged 19.8% from March and were down 4.4% year over year. But this includes sales of perishable and small items not suited for frontloading, and convenience-store sales (which rose a smidgen). In stores where people buy durable goods, such as appliances, watches, or cars, sales were awful.

At “large retailers,” sales swooned 25.0% from March and 5.4% year over year. At supermarkets, where people also buy some durable goods, sales fell 3.9% year over year – people even stocked up on non-perishable food and beverages. At department stores, where people buy jewelry, designer clothing, or French purses, sales fell 10.6% year over year. It wasn’t just retail. Sales between businesses – nearly 2.5 times the value of retail sales – plunged 20.4% from March and 3.7% year over year. In short, it was the largest decline in sales since March 2011, when the Great East Japan Earthquake and tsunami that killed over 19,000 people, brought commerce to a near-standstill.

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Posted 10 June 2014 - 07:56 PM

About every 80 years the existing ruling class is overthrown.

Today's liberal ruling class won't be around in year 2020.

1780 Revolutionary War

1865 Civil War

1945 WW!!

2020 Political Correctness gone


Eurosceptic and far-right parties have seized ground in elections to the European parliament, in what France's PM called a "political earthquake".


France National Front storm to victory - 26%, 25 seats; Centre-right UMP 21%; President Hollande's Socialists a poor third with 14% - lowest ever EP score

Britain Eurosceptic UKIP heading for first place, with 29%. Conservatives and Labour about 23% each. Greens beating Lib Dems.

Italy Centre-left PM Matteo Renzi scores strong 40%, fending off ex-comic Beppe Grillo's anti-establishment Five Star with 22%, and ex-PM Silvio Berlusconi's Forza Italia with 16%

Germany Angela Merkel wins another election - 36% for her Christian Union, 27% for the centre-left SPD. Eurosceptic AfD score strong 7%.

Greece Early results show far-left Syriza on 26%, PM Antonis Samaras' New Democracy on 23%. Far-right Golden Dawn set to get three MEPs, with 9%

http://www.bbc.com/n...europe-27559714


The Political Earthquakes Keep Coming

Primary Election Earthquake: the political world watched with utter shock as the sitting House Republican Majority Leader was obliderated by a Tea Party economics professor with no money.

"One of the most shocking electoral upsets in modern history."


The story about how David Brat pulled off such a monumental surprise win starts, and almost ends, with immigration. Throughout the campaign, Brat was relentless in his attacks on Majority Leader Cantor over the issue. Meanwhile, tens of thousands of illegal alien children were streaming across the border, creating a border security crisis.

http://www.breitbart...ody-By-Surprise
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Posted 10 June 2014 - 08:40 PM

DC ROCKED: CANTOR LOSES PRIMARY
The people vs the establishment!
Maybe we have a prayer to save the country from the Globalist Chamber of Commerce and the Alinskyites!
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Illegals flagging down border patrol to gain entry to USA...
Central American newspapers tout Obama amnesty program...
CONDITIONS DETERIORATE AT AZ SHELTER...
Kids Complaining Burritos Making Them Sick...
Chicken pox, staph infection fears...
Widespread sexual activity...
Feds violating child abuse laws?
Valerie Jarrett in secret meetings with activists...
PAPER: Influx 'threatens to transform nation'...

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Posted 12 June 2014 - 08:48 AM

Which side of the barricade are you on?

Americans' long-brewing discontent shows clear signs of reaching a boiling point as the out-of-touch political class clings to the status quo by protecting those at the top and their own political agendas.

Populists from the right and the left—from the tea party and libertarian-leaning Rand Paul to economic populist Elizabeth Warren—are positioning themselves among the insurgents.

Sosnik pointed to six areas of consensus that eventually may unite the divergent populist forces:

A pullback from the rest of the world, with more of an inward focus.

A desire to go after big banks and other large financial institutions.

Elimination of corporate welfare.

Reducing special deals for the rich.

Pushing back on the violation of the public's privacy by the government and big business.

Reducing the size of government.


http://www.nationalj...lution-20140611
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Posted 25 June 2014 - 10:49 AM

Interesting Commentary Found:

If America actually has a future as an intact nation, it won't come about from re-establishing any kind of cultural, economic and/or political hegemony over the nations of the world. It will come about from BREAKING AWAY from them.

Sure - China, Russia and Iran will begin throwing their weight around in earnest.

Sure - South Korea, Japan, Thailand, Vietnam, the Phillipines and Indonesia will have to deal with a resurgent and increasingly hegemonistic China, and it could lead to a great increase in nuke-capable nations in the region and even the outbreak of war.

Sure - Pakistan, as the Sunni 'Janissaries' or, more accurately, 'Ghazis' of Saudi Arabia, will square off against Shia Syria and Iran, and war - even with some use of nukes - is a real possibility.

Sure - Germany will break away from the EU to lead a Northern Union, while southern Europe falls into ruin and Spain & Italy fracture into older medieval political entities, while the new German Union alternately deals with and squares off against Russia, with Eastern Europe caught in the middle politically and the Middle East and North Africa becoming a point of economic and, inevitably, political contention between the two, again with the possibility of wars breaking out at least at the regional and peripheral level.

Sure - Latin America will fall into greater chaos than ever before, as waning American influence competes with growing Brazilian and Chinese influence, while the latin countries go thru another jolting cycle of peronista/allende - like socialist utopian idealism bankrupting them into accepting military dictatorships and vice versa in a cycle of stupidity.

And Africa - north, central and south - will be torn asunder, as Europe, Russia, China and India yank countries with needed agricultural or mineral resources in any direction they please, with rampant war, genocide, criminality, corruption, plague and misery reaching mythic proportions as Africa is sucked dry of its remaining material wealth.

In a word - the whole globe is going to go to hell in a handbasket.

The Bakken fields in N Dakota and eastern Montana are already fading out, but at least America will be able to fall back on stunning reserves of Nat Gas, Coal and Shale Oil (expensive, but still usable). Perhaps we will be successful in throttling the screeching childish Greens and their flower children brethren while implementing much safer and cleaner nuke energy thru Thorium, as well as making some technology breakthroughs with graphene, carbon nanotubes or other organic plastics to make much cheaper, easier & cleaner to manufacture & more efficient solar cells.

But we're still going to be in miserable shape. Even if all the rare earth sites in North America are exploited, we'll probably still run short of what's needed, which, based on china's dominance as a source of such materials, will mean that American industry will have to get very creative and invent new manufacturing and design techniques to produce goods that are now dependent on those materials by using other elements instead. This also assumes that America will become well organized enough to be able to reindustrialize - but with the under 45's so committed to Progressive Marxist Fascism, that may be a pipe dream.

We're in horrible trouble as a nation. I very much doubt we'll survive intact. But even if we do, and America becomes a free country with a small government, a sound currency, a severely humbled and reduced Wall Street and finance sector and a mighty technology and industrial base again, it will be imperative that the nation do everything it can to ensure that other countries deal with their OWN self-created problems, and if any faction or nation is stupid enough to create a set of circumstances that force America to become involved, then American involvement should be executed in such a fashion that the inciting party comes to regret its actions in the most severe terms imaginable.


Another interesting comment:


Today’s markets are dominated by the fulsome debasement of the fiat currency.

This has three dominant impacts:

1) Balance sheet debt is being debased.

2) S&P GAAP earnings are being hyped 100%. (ZIRP repression of corporate interest expenes)

3) (Labor) Cost of goods sold is in full on retrograde — as labor inputs are imported (Red China) — globalization generally; computers are replacing ‘decision labor.’ (Many blue collar and white collar jobs existed solely because it took a human being to turn off the valve/ throw the switch/ stir the pot.

( The railroad industry used to have cabooses trailing every freight train. Their crews used to throw switches (British: points) and monitor car malfunctions. (hot brakes/ dragging brakes) America had 250,000 souls employed a century ago doing this duty. Today, none.)

(This elimination of routine labor is now rippling across even minor labor niches at this time. Think of PLCs. (Programmable Logical Controllers — discrete computers for industrial and robotic processes. They are everywhere now. Google Arduino for a bare-bones PLC core sold as a toy for nerds.))

%%%

Another market development is the contraction in Red Chinese demand for commodities. She is in recession. (Financial sector is dialing back.)

The result is softness in all of the major commodities. While a curse for their producers, such price declines are a boon to manufacturers — which dominate the S&P.

$$$

The market HAS to be adjusted for the debasement of the currency. Once you do so, the record highs begin to evaporate.

The real scare is the fake-out the ZIRP is providing to the entire planet.

Even the powers that be (BIS) are being led off a cliff.

&&&

The system has left the map. We are in truly uncharted territory — caused by fulsome corruption of market logic.

Fake government statistics
Fake currency stability
Fake unemployment stats
Fake interest rates
Fake commodities demand (an attempt to hide from currency gambits skews all)
Fake mortgage markets
Fake (cartel) pricing in the Medical-Pharma-Insurance-Legal (hyper) cartel/ guild
Fake (cartel) pricing in the College degree space
Bizarro pricing in the MIC space (F-35) is being priced to the moon to hide dark spending on yet other stuff — think ABM defenses)


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#37 AChartist

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Posted 29 June 2014 - 07:48 PM

http://www.redicecre.../RIR-140627.php



Good talk, I didnt get through all of it. It's the concept of dead pig government

incompatible with a living growing human mind.


A couple obvious examples.

The ancient fraud of demon-ocracy is now reduced to a 30%

brain dead federali educated bought welfare class,

promoting their reproduction to breed lowest denominator voters,

rule by 30% lowest denominator "majority" mob.


Much much worse than possible in roman bread and circus with advanced

mind control technologies like one party one corporation tv leg news hyperbole

and federali de-education.


Another is the 14th ammendment communist slave massacre.

The law of persons, commercial contract corporate private statute slaves, is the

roman law failure.

over and over again, they know they just have to rinse and repeat cycle through the

cycle of death ever two generations so there is no one alive to know how it

happened.


Notice our latest toilet flush acceleration is exactly with the last of the

living WWII generation.



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Posted 07 July 2014 - 07:58 PM

Britain's political class can't be replaced peacefully. The disintegration will continue.

They see the voters' revolt as a problem to be managed not a reason for change.


The alleged paedophile ring at the heart of the British Establishment

Investigation into alleged child abuse ring in Westminster dogged by claims of cover ups and missing files

http://www.telegraph...ablishment.html

There are allegations of a massive cover up across Whitehall spanning decades, pressure on the police and prosecutors not to pursue cases and the apparent disappearance of key dossiers and files detailing claims of child abuse and alleged attackers.

More than 10 current and former politicians are said to be on a list of alleged child abusers now being investigated by police and the pressure is growing for a public inquiry.

But the belated investigations only serve to highlight decades of apparent inaction in the corridors of power to get to the truth despite relentless campaigning by a number of MPs.

114 files missing from 'Westminster pedophile ring' dossier, Home Office admits

http://rt.com/uk/170...ster-pedophile/
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Posted 07 July 2014 - 08:23 PM

Britain's political class can't be replaced peacefully. The disintegration will continue.

They see the voters' revolt as a problem to be managed not a reason for change.


The alleged paedophile ring at the heart of the British Establishment

Investigation into alleged child abuse ring in Westminster dogged by claims of cover ups and missing files

http://www.telegraph...ablishment.html

There are allegations of a massive cover up across Whitehall spanning decades, pressure on the police and prosecutors not to pursue cases and the apparent disappearance of key dossiers and files detailing claims of child abuse and alleged attackers.

More than 10 current and former politicians are said to be on a list of alleged child abusers now being investigated by police and the pressure is growing for a public inquiry.

But the belated investigations only serve to highlight decades of apparent inaction in the corridors of power to get to the truth despite relentless campaigning by a number of MPs.

114 files missing from 'Westminster pedophile ring' dossier, Home Office admits

http://rt.com/uk/170...ster-pedophile/


Gee, haven't been following this thread recently. You're now obsessed with British pedophiles. Must say, old chap, your interest in this stuff certainly ranges far and wide, and borders on the...words escape me...

As for me, when it comes to British scandals, I'll take Christine Keeler and Mandy Rice Davies any year. Much more fun to watch and not as serious.

Long live the Queen!

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Posted 11 July 2014 - 01:12 PM

Interesting Commentary Found:

If America actually has a future as an intact nation, it won't come about from re-establishing any kind of cultural, economic and/or political hegemony over the nations of the world. It will come about from BREAKING AWAY from them.

Sure - China, Russia and Iran will begin throwing their weight around in earnest.

Sure - South Korea, Japan, Thailand, Vietnam, the Phillipines and Indonesia will have to deal with a resurgent and increasingly hegemonistic China, and it could lead to a great increase in nuke-capable nations in the region and even the outbreak of war.

Sure - Pakistan, as the Sunni 'Janissaries' or, more accurately, 'Ghazis' of Saudi Arabia, will square off against Shia Syria and Iran, and war - even with some use of nukes - is a real possibility.

Sure - Germany will break away from the EU to lead a Northern Union, while southern Europe falls into ruin and Spain & Italy fracture into older medieval political entities, while the new German Union alternately deals with and squares off against Russia, with Eastern Europe caught in the middle politically and the Middle East and North Africa becoming a point of economic and, inevitably, political contention between the two, again with the possibility of wars breaking out at least at the regional and peripheral level.

Sure - Latin America will fall into greater chaos than ever before, as waning American influence competes with growing Brazilian and Chinese influence, while the latin countries go thru another jolting cycle of peronista/allende - like socialist utopian idealism bankrupting them into accepting military dictatorships and vice versa in a cycle of stupidity.

And Africa - north, central and south - will be torn asunder, as Europe, Russia, China and India yank countries with needed agricultural or mineral resources in any direction they please, with rampant war, genocide, criminality, corruption, plague and misery reaching mythic proportions as Africa is sucked dry of its remaining material wealth.

In a word - the whole globe is going to go to hell in a handbasket.

The Bakken fields in N Dakota and eastern Montana are already fading out, but at least America will be able to fall back on stunning reserves of Nat Gas, Coal and Shale Oil (expensive, but still usable). Perhaps we will be successful in throttling the screeching childish Greens and their flower children brethren while implementing much safer and cleaner nuke energy thru Thorium, as well as making some technology breakthroughs with graphene, carbon nanotubes or other organic plastics to make much cheaper, easier & cleaner to manufacture & more efficient solar cells.

But we're still going to be in miserable shape. Even if all the rare earth sites in North America are exploited, we'll probably still run short of what's needed, which, based on china's dominance as a source of such materials, will mean that American industry will have to get very creative and invent new manufacturing and design techniques to produce goods that are now dependent on those materials by using other elements instead. This also assumes that America will become well organized enough to be able to reindustrialize - but with the under 45's so committed to Progressive Marxist Fascism, that may be a pipe dream.

We're in horrible trouble as a nation. I very much doubt we'll survive intact. But even if we do, and America becomes a free country with a small government, a sound currency, a severely humbled and reduced Wall Street and finance sector and a mighty technology and industrial base again, it will be imperative that the nation do everything it can to ensure that other countries deal with their OWN self-created problems, and if any faction or nation is stupid enough to create a set of circumstances that force America to become involved, then American involvement should be executed in such a fashion that the inciting party comes to regret its actions in the most severe terms imaginable.



China's riding a tiger and does not know how to dismount. If they shut down the inflation engine, the civil unrest will be the end of them.


This is the reason that China has decided to pick a fight with Japan, Taiwan and the US. No way can the possible oil deposits compensate for the economic drubbing that Beijing would suffer should the dogs of war be set loose.

More generally, Red China is an ISLAND power. The fact that her island is contiguous with the rest of Asia is of no import.

ALL of her trade transits the USN ocean — and by tacit permission, too. Beijing has no prospect under any circumstances of preventing the USN from preventing her from shipping to and fro to Europe or the Western Hemisphere.

Red China’s trade with Russia is insignificant. Her economic engine runs on trade with her geopolitical rivals if not out right enemies. Most of it would be shut down with phone calls.

What purpose would oil imports be if all trade in manufactures shuts down? Obviously the need would evaporate with the customers.

Red China would have to ENTIRELY eliminate the USN to gain access to Europe. As Germany and Japan could tell them, that’s a tall order.

Scarcely mentioned: Red China is utterly dependent — not on oil — but on phosphate imports. North America is in the catbird seat. Canada and Florida have magnum phosphate deposits.
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