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#11 12SPX

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Posted 14 January 2023 - 09:30 AM

 

If there will be food shortages, it could be the best thing for Americans who are the most obese on earth. Food shortages might take a huge leap towards better health since obesity brings on so many health problems.

Yep, I just went back on intermediate fasting. I eat once a day, every 24 hours. Lost 10 pounds of fat the first 2 weeks. Blood pressure .heart rate .oxygen levels all improved. I exercise half hour to an hour a day. Meditate the same. Mind ,body ,Spirit.

 

Two very good points, I fast but would be interesting to try eating just once!!! 



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Posted 14 January 2023 - 10:27 AM

 

 

If there will be food shortages, it could be the best thing for Americans who are the most obese on earth. Food shortages might take a huge leap towards better health since obesity brings on so many health problems.

Yep, I just went back on intermediate fasting. I eat once a day, every 24 hours. Lost 10 pounds of fat the first 2 weeks. Blood pressure .heart rate .oxygen levels all improved. I exercise half hour to an hour a day. Meditate the same. Mind ,body ,Spirit.

 

Two very good points, I fast but would be interesting to try eating just once!!! 

 

About 10 years ago I caught something at the gym where I had this metal taste in my mouth. It would not go away I tried everything. So I decided to stop eating ,this lasted 9 days. The metal taste went away. That's the longest I ever fasted for. A lot of the Buddhist monks eat a bowl of rice a day... for years.



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Posted 14 January 2023 - 03:37 PM

 

If there will be food shortages, it could be the best thing for Americans who are the most obese on earth. Food shortages might take a huge leap towards better health since obesity brings on so many health problems.

Well, it's the carbohydrates and sugar that are the drivers of all of it. Alas, when people are starving, they don't eat good proteins and fats.

 

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It's really stress stimulus response  - we spent millions of years in 'survival' mode with scare food, foraging for it (moving around slowly alot)... now people are stressed out by modern living (  jobs, commutes, school, news, internet, world events etc ) ..and

sit most of day...and reach for the easiest 'fix' - which is high gylcemic food - note how 'coffee' has become a 1000 calorie cream/sugar drink  and queue's line up everywhere all day  ... 

 

If you took peoples 'stress fix' away, they will lose weight, but they will need another fix - used to be smoking, when that got banned food issue went up - if you make food scarce, I predict Drug issues increase

which are already out of control.

 

In other words, the real problem isn't food, or peoples will power its modern living which is so removed from our biology.

 

But if you want to get some control over your eating - then learning to de-stress some healthier way is start ( walking in nature, animals good start), and then look at intermittent fasting because against our biology to have continous calories - it prevents cellular

mechanisms for cleanup such as autography,  and also epigenetic gene expression for 'healthier outcomes' .

 

Mark is correct in that repeated exposure to spiking blood sugar eventually damages insulin receptors, and insulin production in pancreas ..and this downstream leads to obesity - one way it can occur.

But FYI - calorie's and type is overrated, the body is smart and adjusts quickly to changes in calorie's -  doctors again failed  to understand the laws of thermodynamics - calorie is definitely not  a calorie  .. because body is not a 'closed system' - that is, its gene expression and hormones that determine the use of a calorie. This is easily proven by looking at people with over or under action thyroid hormones, menopause and host of conditions where calorie intake doesn't change but hormones

changed lead to weight gain, aging also shows this well been studying this a  long time, aging is mostly result of the damage to systems and receptors over time. ( a closed system is  a steam engine - energy in -> energy used + heat loss ...but in the body,

for example we are symbionts  - u have trillions of cells, but each cell has approximately 10 bacteria in symbiosis ..and certain bacteria has use energy ..thus for example, experiments show transferring a slim person gut biome to obese led to

becoming thin ...another factor is metabotic process adapt including micro movements which over 24 hours can make enough different to account for gain/loss ..and as said, receptor efficiency and hormone signalling  (its not just insulin, its WAY more

complex ..body has massive amount of feedback loops ..I studied complex system math ..body is very complex and we can't account/model it all yet ...so what i say is, a 'calorie is a calorie' only for people with perfectly working bodies, not many , mostly

those under 20 y/o ..after than damage accumulates especially in modern toxic world ..where chemicals in air/water/food are damaging all these systems, proven science BTW - even more complex is interaction gene expression with gut biome ).

 

>>instead of thinking about 'health' of your body, instead try to optimize the health of one cell - because if you do that, the whole body will follow but not case other way around.

 

FYI - health is really my lifes study because as I mentioned I had severe health issue from around 11, medical couldn't help me and had to 'cure' myself through studying everything imaginable in science and self

experiments ..some of which were very dangerous ..but i'm still here, healthier now than most of my life, so I try to share what i've learned on this journey - i find most I read is inaccurate to the leading edge of science,

medicine mostly is bad science and is really poor in general health.


Edited by EntropyModel, 14 January 2023 - 03:45 PM.

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Posted 15 January 2023 - 11:55 PM

BTW - you might find this leading edge health science of interest.

https://www.scientif...attle-obesity/#

 

Not in the article - but removal of brown fat causes rats to gain weight dramatically - and in humans aging is again partly de-activation of brown fat activity.

This is a good example of how our biology doesn't fit modern living - the lack of temperature variation & dealing with cold is prime de- activator of brown fat activity.


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Posted 16 January 2023 - 06:41 AM

 

If there will be food shortages, it could be the best thing for Americans who are the most obese on earth. Food shortages might take a huge leap towards better health since obesity brings on so many health problems.

Well, it's the carbohydrates and sugar that are the drivers of all of it. Alas, when people are starving, they don't eat good proteins and fats.

 

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Mark, this is truth but disregarded by most, especially the "medical" community.

 

I was obese and had diabetes and HBP. I did a lot of research on what constitutes good nutrition and health. I checked out all kinds of ways of eating. Vegetarianism and it's forms and other recommended diets. I ran across Mark Sisson who was a huge carb eater in his athletic youth and found my truth. High fat, protein and very low carbs. I lost 57 pounds and regained my health. Probably saved my life.


Edited by OEXCHAOS, 16 January 2023 - 03:44 PM.

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#16 Chilidawgz

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Posted 16 January 2023 - 06:52 AM

err carbs,lol


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#17 MDurkin

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Posted 16 January 2023 - 09:35 AM

BTW - you might find this leading edge health science of interest.

https://www.scientif...attle-obesity/#

 

Not in the article - but removal of brown fat causes rats to gain weight dramatically - and in humans aging is again partly de-activation of brown fat activity.

This is a good example of how our biology doesn't fit modern living - the lack of temperature variation & dealing with cold is prime de- activator of brown fat activity.

I read an article years ago where they had 2 sibling mouse's. One they let eat as much at it wanted ,the other was feed once a day. The one that ate as much at it wanted grew twice as big and had half the life span.



#18 EntropyModel

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Posted 16 January 2023 - 10:38 AM

err carbs,lol

 

All  Cabs aren't bad - that's also wrong  - it's high gylcemic ones (processed ones) -  and it's about context ...but for people that want a simple formula it is I suppose easier to not eat as many carbs, but you

lose alot of health benefits from doing that.

 

For example - if you exercise in certain ways that promote health, then carbs post exercise are beneficial ... the body is designed for what's called 'nutrient partioning' post exercise, so

carbs don't cause blood sugar spikes in that case, which is the issue that causes the damage as I mentioned.

 

The body is more complex that people realize - its a biological machines which alot of mechanism i've spent literal lifetime understanding and experimenting to understand on myself and others.

 

For OPTIMAL health it's not simple, you have to understand all these mechanisms.  I have a solution but it complex - but I hope to start a health channel in 2023 to explain my ideas and I believe

 my results trump anyone elses i've seen.


Edited by EntropyModel, 16 January 2023 - 10:39 AM.

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Posted 16 January 2023 - 11:00 AM

 

BTW - you might find this leading edge health science of interest.

https://www.scientif...attle-obesity/#

 

Not in the article - but removal of brown fat causes rats to gain weight dramatically - and in humans aging is again partly de-activation of brown fat activity.

This is a good example of how our biology doesn't fit modern living - the lack of temperature variation & dealing with cold is prime de- activator of brown fat activity.

I read an article years ago where they had 2 sibling mouse's. One they let eat as much at it wanted ,the other was feed once a day. The one that ate as much at it wanted grew twice as big and had half the life span.

 

 

Yes, continous feeding is a major health issue because insulin receptors become 'down regulated' or 'insulin resistant' - leading to blood sugar remaining high for longer .and bigger spikes and producing more insulin to compensate eventually damaging pancratic cells, which  is what damages cells .In nature - no animal would have continous access to food - and our cell biology adapted to millions of years of scarce resources, optimizing for storage for survival.

So intermittent fasting promotes gene expressions of positive health adaptations in that cell biology.  Like anything it can be taken too far -  the science shows 16 hours to max 3 days produces

these benefits more than longer fasting for health -  it's actually the rebuild after the break that is most beneficial ..due to clearance of senescent cells, and stem cell stimulation and other.

From my own 15 years of doing IF - I will say that too much of it also has risks in certain conditions as it's effectively a 'stress' - so can lower immunity and risk sickness if done too much or 

when dealing with other stresses - it's about 'balance'  of your total body load to be simplistic.    


Edited by EntropyModel, 16 January 2023 - 11:14 AM.

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#20 MDurkin

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Posted 16 January 2023 - 11:23 AM

 

 

BTW - you might find this leading edge health science of interest.

https://www.scientif...attle-obesity/#

 

Not in the article - but removal of brown fat causes rats to gain weight dramatically - and in humans aging is again partly de-activation of brown fat activity.

This is a good example of how our biology doesn't fit modern living - the lack of temperature variation & dealing with cold is prime de- activator of brown fat activity.

I read an article years ago where they had 2 sibling mouse's. One they let eat as much at it wanted ,the other was feed once a day. The one that ate as much at it wanted grew twice as big and had half the life span.

 

 

Yes, continous feeding is a major health issue because insulin receptors become 'down regulated' or 'insulin resistant' - leading to blood sugar remaining high for longer .and bigger spikes and producing more insulin to compensate eventually damaging pancratic cells, which  is what damages cells .In nature - no animal would have continous access to food - and our cell biology adapted to millions of years of scarce resources, optimizing for storage for survival.

So intermittent fasting promotes gene expressions of positive health adaptations in that cell biology.  Like anything it can be taken too far -  the science shows 16 hours to max 3 days produces

these benefits more than longer fasting for health -  it's actually the rebuild after the break that is most beneficial ..due to clearance of senescent cells, and stem cell stimulation and other.

From my own 15 years of doing IF - I will say that too much of it also has risks in certain conditions as it's effectively a 'stress' - so can lower immunity and risk sickness if done too much or 

when dealing with other stresses - it's about 'balance'  of your total body load to be simplistic.    

 

Yes... balance.