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#11 Rogerdodger

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Posted 01 January 2022 - 12:02 AM

a string of hugely positive studies show Omicron IS milder than other strains, with the first official UK report revealing the risk of hospitalisation is 50 to 70 per cent lower than with Delta.

 

Considering that there can be side effects for the various vaxes, (which don't prevent Omicron), and Omicron's effects are mild, is there any point of getting the booster which can have it's own issues?

 

Can anyone tell me the LONG TERM SIDE EFFECTS of any of the new "vaccines"?

Of course not. 

If you have any adverse side effects, now or later, can you sue the manufactures?

Of course not.

 

Omicron passed peak in S Africa, causing few deaths and hospitalizations...

Doesn't Infect Lungs Very Well, Animal Studies Find...

 

Experts warn OVER-vaccinating...


Edited by Rogerdodger, 01 January 2022 - 01:33 PM.


#12 brucekeller

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Posted 01 January 2022 - 12:09 AM

 

It sure looks like the vaccines' benefits have been grossly exaggerated.
 
"It compares the outcomes of the roughly 18,000 vaccinated and infected people seem at the medical centers with a much larger group of Covid patients - about 2.5 million people - who were not vaccinated and visited the same centers at any point during the epidemic.
About 84 percent of the vaccinated patients were seen as outpatients, while 16 percent required hospitalization.
In comparison, about 77 percent of unvaccinated patients were seen as outpatients, while 23 percent were hospitalized.
Almost 1 percent of the vaccinated patients had serious outcomes, including death, compared to just over 2 percent of the unvaccinated patients."

https://alexberenson...ospitalizations

 

The actual study is here (see Table 4). Note that this data is pre-Omicron.

https://jamanetwork....article/2787643

 

 

I'm confused, there are only 3 tables under the table part and the study says:

Results  A total of 664 722 patients in the N3C sample were included. These patients had a median (IQR) age of 51 (34-66) years and were predominantly women (n = 378 307 [56.9%]). Overall, the incidence rate for COVID-19 breakthrough infection was 5.0 per 1000 person-months among fully vaccinated persons but was higher after the Delta variant became the dominant SARS-CoV-2 strain (incidence rate before vs after June 20, 2021, 2.2 [95% CI, 2.2-2.2] vs 7.3 [95% CI, 7.3-7.4] per 1000 person-months). Compared with partial vaccination, full vaccination was associated with a 28% reduced risk for breakthrough infection (adjusted IRR [AIRR], 0.72; 95% CI, 0.68-0.76). People with a breakthrough infection after full vaccination were more likely to be older and women. People with HIV infection (AIRR, 1.33; 95% CI, 1.18-1.49), rheumatoid arthritis (AIRR, 1.20; 95% CI, 1.09-1.32), and solid organ transplant (AIRR, 2.16; 95% CI, 1.96-2.38) had a higher rate of breakthrough infection.


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#13 pdx5

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Posted 01 January 2022 - 10:20 AM

 

If you believe that Pfizer submitted legitimate, honest data for their EUA to the FDA, you really need to see this: https://t.co/ZHbAUKX76U

 

https://pbs.twimg.co...=jpg&name=small

More on Pfizer: https://tinyurl.com/5e995zta

 

Still waiting for people to wake up…especially from those who invested heavily into this experimentation..

 

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The vaccines were FREE, thanks to all tax payers, who write checks to IRS like clockwork.

My main point with these vaccines has always been that they are a big nothing burger in causing adverse effects.

250 Million Americans have chosen to receive the jabs and how many have dropped dead from it?

Put the left side of brain to work, if it was 1 million (it is not) then the vaccines would be 99.6%+ safe at a mimimum. That is a BIG nothing burger in causing adverse effects. If you get admitted to any hospital, your risk is much greater.

 

I have no opinion if the vaccines are effective in creating anti-bodies for any strain of covid. Just have not seem sufficient data to conclude.


Edited by pdx5, 01 January 2022 - 10:23 AM.

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Posted 01 January 2022 - 10:39 AM

Nothing is free, nothing. Everything has risk and reward, and with the jabs, it's not even close to worth the risk, certainly absolutely not for children. It's criminal, but for the pharmaceutical companies, it's their route to extending the EUA with no liability. Did I mention criminal? Read a few of these: https://twitter.com/theysayitsrare or go to this URLhttps://www.theysayitsrare.com/ .


Edited by hhh, 01 January 2022 - 10:44 AM.


#15 fib_1618

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Posted 01 January 2022 - 11:17 AM

 

 

If you believe that Pfizer submitted legitimate, honest data for their EUA to the FDA, you really need to see this: https://t.co/ZHbAUKX76U

 

https://pbs.twimg.co...=jpg&name=small

More on Pfizer: https://tinyurl.com/5e995zta

 

Still waiting for people to wake up…especially from those who invested heavily into this experimentation..

 

Fib

 

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My main point with these vaccines has always been that they are a big nothing burger in causing adverse effects.

 

I again suggest you look around for information that may not be so easily attainable (FWIW): https://tinyurl.com/2d4h375c
 

I have no opinion if the vaccines are effective in creating anti-bodies for any strain of covid. Just have not seem sufficient data to conclude.

 

This comment seems to be a dramatic change of your past declarations on the subject.


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#16 MikeyG

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Posted 01 January 2022 - 01:20 PM

My Mom has Covid right now. She is double vaxxed. She has had a fever for 5 days. Her experience seems similar to mine when I had Delta and I am unvaccinated. I had Delta, that was rough. Omicron was just a stuffy nose and made tired, similar to a nasty cold. She is 62 and I am 41, so age could be a factor. I would also say that people I know that has Covid right now is vaxxed- total of 5 people.

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Posted 01 January 2022 - 02:26 PM

My Mom has Covid right now. She is double vaxxed. She has had a fever for 5 days. Her experience seems similar to mine when I had Delta and I am unvaccinated. I had Delta, that was rough. Omicron was just a stuffy nose and made tired, similar to a nasty cold. She is 62 and I am 41, so age could be a factor. I would also say that people I know that has Covid right now is vaxxed- total of 5 people.

My brother in Cali just reported in that many fanatical Gene Shot pushers are getting a big red pill right now around him, as a whole bunch of them are coming down with what is likely Omicron, while non-vaxxed around him seem to be faring better thus far.

 

Could very well be ADE type issues manifesting, but luckily in a mild fashion.


Edited by K Wave, 01 January 2022 - 02:27 PM.

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#18 pdx5

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Posted 01 January 2022 - 06:48 PM

Repeating for the umpteenth time....please read who did not read my previous posts on this subject.

 

Vaccines do NOT and can NOT stop virus material being inhaled.

No vaccine ever constructed a virus proof filter in your nose.

 

ONLY FUNCTION of any vaccine is to create anti-bodies for future infection.

When virus enters your respiratory system, it does not ring a bell or send a text message to the brain about it's entry. The virus lodges itself and starts replicating. Only when body tissue is consumed by the virus, the body becomes aware of the virus invasion and mounts a counter-attack sending anti-bodies to the infected area. If the vaccine was successful in creating anti-bodies for the particular strain of virus, the odds are in your favor to subdue the virus before serious symptoms appear. You could even test positive and become a new case. But you are less likely to require hospitalization. 

 

When a new version of the virus, such as Omicron, invades, the anti-bodies created by the current vaccine may not be effective. Since 75% of Americans are vaccinated already, common sense should tell you there are 3 times more vaccinated people to infect by the new version of virus. 

 

Final point, all virus invasions do not always produce symptoms if body is successful in killing the virus before it grows too much. So the 25% of unvaccinated people have equal chance of developing immunity for the new virus as vaccinated people. But because there are 3 times more vaccinated people walking around, new case will be 3 times more for the vaccinated than unvaccinated. 


Edited by pdx5, 01 January 2022 - 06:55 PM.

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Posted 01 January 2022 - 08:48 PM

Repeating for the umpteenth time....please read who did not read my previous posts on this subject.

 

Vaccines do NOT and can NOT stop virus material being inhaled.

No vaccine ever constructed a virus proof filter in your nose.

 

Agreed.

 

ONLY FUNCTION of any vaccine is to create anti-bodies for future infection.

When virus enters your respiratory system, it does not ring a bell or send a text message to the brain about it's entry.

 

Yes it does. Your mucosal immunity will kick in (which you can't get from the jab) and attempt to stop it before it gets any further. Jabs only provide a fleeting single S-protein immunity which quickly wanes.

 

The virus lodges itself and starts replicating. Only when body tissue is consumed by the virus, the body becomes aware of the virus invasion and mounts a counter-attack sending anti-bodies to the infected area. If the vaccine was successful in creating anti-bodies for the particular strain of virus,

 

Highly unlikey the jab was successful since it's impossible to keep up with the mutations.

 

the odds are in your favor to subdue the virus before serious symptoms appear. You could even test positive and become a new case. But you are less likely to require hospitalization. 

 

Could just as well be the opposite if OAS is in play or reliance on N-antibodies (which are impaired in the jabbed) is required.

 

When a new version of the virus, such as Omicron, invades, the anti-bodies created by the current vaccine may not be effective. Since 75% of Americans are vaccinated already, common sense should tell you there are 3 times more vaccinated people to infect by the new version of virus. 

 

Not sure what this point is here other than trying to vaccinate out of a viral pandemic is hopeless and counter-productive as was predicted by real experts.

 

Final point, all virus invasions do not always produce symptoms if body is successful in killing the virus before it grows too much. So the 25% of unvaccinated people have equal chance of developing immunity for the new virus as vaccinated people. But because there are 3 times more vaccinated people walking around, new case will be 3 times more for the vaccinated than unvaccinated. 

 

Except that the jabbed  could have impaired immune systems that have been mistrained for only the one S-protein of the original strain making them worse off.  If you were to believe the hype, the jabbed do much better than the unjabbed in every case. Clearly that's not happening. Regardless, when comparing, normalizing to per 100,000 or whatever for direct comparison is the only sensible method. Immunity is far more complex than what has been touched on here. T-cells can play a vital role for example, especially the CD8+ variety, found in higher numbers in mild Covid cases, which respond to the internal proteins of the virus and are not produced by current jabs. The current jabs had their trials gamed to produce artificial efficacy numbers which do not result in real world results. https://ocla.ca/wp-c...ec.-15-2021.pdf



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Posted 01 January 2022 - 10:14 PM

Repeating for the umpteenth time

Repeating yourself is one of the deadly symptoms.

 

Let me repeat...