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#21 Waver

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Posted 24 June 2020 - 07:33 PM

It will take more time to see those who were infected by these young people to need hospitalization and possibly die. We are still in the first wave for the nation unlike NY where there were the most stringent controls enforced. 

 

Another factor few are giving any notice is that there is increasing evidence that recovery isn't necessarily such a simple matter. We focus on hospitalizations and deaths, but have learned that even asymptomatic people may have damage to their organs at levels which don't compromise their health now but could have long-term repercussions. 

 

Lungs show scaring, kidneys may be impacted, just about every organ is vulnerable even when there are no obvious symptoms from mild infections in people we consider recovered as well as in people who were asymptomatic. The latest findings show neurological symptoms emerging among many who were never hospitalize but have ongoing symptoms for more than three months that may be chronic. Autoimmune diseases may be triggered. 

And these occur in a sizeable sample of the population studied. Don't underestimate the danger. It's neither rare nor minor and can have a lasting impact on the healthcare system and the economy beyond the suffering of a large percentage of the population. Added to that, some recent finding show that antibodies to C-19 seem not to last long, which can mean reinfection and, even worse, that vaccines may not be effective.

Some of you who post here seem to feel invulnerable or that these concerns are inflated for political reasons. Some of you believed it would fade away in warm temperature. If you would like to see links to established and respected medical institutions and studies confirming my statements, I can supply many.

Claire - do you have a source for this info?



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Posted 24 June 2020 - 07:41 PM

I don't think anyone said it would fade away until the delayed infections ran their course, just that it would be MUCH less deadly...so far so good...

 

once this spike is done, things should get better pretty rapidly.


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Posted 24 June 2020 - 08:14 PM

I don't think anyone said it would fade away until the delayed infections ran their course, just that it would be MUCH less deadly...so far so good...

 

once this spike is done, things should get better pretty rapidly.

The future is rational only in hindsight. Right now, we seem to talk like we know what we're saying. We don't. I hear a lot of beliefs. Not singling you out K Wave. Sorry if it seems that way. I tend to agree with you, but the fact is that this is all a great experiment that will only make sense once it's done. In the meantime, all of the pronouncements here about it are just hot air.


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#24 claire

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Posted 24 June 2020 - 08:53 PM

 

It will take more time to see those who were infected by these young people to need hospitalization and possibly die. We are still in the first wave for the nation unlike NY where there were the most stringent controls enforced. 

 

Another factor few are giving any notice is that there is increasing evidence that recovery isn't necessarily such a simple matter. We focus on hospitalizations and deaths, but have learned that even asymptomatic people may have damage to their organs at levels which don't compromise their health now but could have long-term repercussions. 

 

Lungs show scaring, kidneys may be impacted, just about every organ is vulnerable even when there are no obvious symptoms from mild infections in people we consider recovered as well as in people who were asymptomatic. The latest findings show neurological symptoms emerging among many who were never hospitalize but have ongoing symptoms for more than three months that may be chronic. Autoimmune diseases may be triggered. 

And these occur in a sizeable sample of the population studied. Don't underestimate the danger. It's neither rare nor minor and can have a lasting impact on the healthcare system and the economy beyond the suffering of a large percentage of the population. Added to that, some recent finding show that antibodies to C-19 seem not to last long, which can mean reinfection and, even worse, that vaccines may not be effective.

Some of you who post here seem to feel invulnerable or that these concerns are inflated for political reasons. Some of you believed it would fade away in warm temperature. If you would like to see links to established and respected medical institutions and studies confirming my statements, I can supply many.

Claire - do you have a source for this info?

 

 

 

Links to information - a small sample. I can provide many more.

 

https://www.the-scie...ntibodies-67650

 

https://www.scmp.com...ew-wuhan-study?

 

fbclid=IwAR2qa_MSpFyaAcJ-zL7X-pvIIKQTD8Qc28v8Mbw9nKXhJxbGCxmK0X5dNXA

 

https://www.thelance...0086-4/fulltext

 

https://www.bbc.com/...d-19-infection?

 

fbclid=IwAR0Ki1DKLCckLntKMMuR3yccpoGs0Kx-awR3VzDlQPB_l3-7rQ9RW0CjLhQ

 

https://scitechdaily...-asymptomatic/?

 

fbclid=IwAR1FGYkx6eD2m9_gTF9FSUNga15nN-TOOCdYJpPFp8puKHMVeAayIVEe-9I

 

https://www.nejm.org...dyrMa1GIx7IqnEw

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm...les/PMC7152874/

 

https://www.the-scie...man-cells-67496

 

https://www.bannerhe...e-on-your-lungs

 

https://www.advisory...-health-effects

 

https://jamanetwork....Btwy7TxsNZSYE5w

 

https://www.theatlan...Vmp35mnjguGvwQA



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Posted 24 June 2020 - 08:57 PM

And, if you're interested in see inner working of the virus, this is a fascinating interactional graphic presented by Scientific American:

 

https://www.scientif...UnTsAla7T1bSEgg



#26 Waver

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Posted 24 June 2020 - 09:09 PM

Claire
Thanks for the links!

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Posted 24 June 2020 - 09:59 PM

 

I don't think anyone said it would fade away until the delayed infections ran their course, just that it would be MUCH less deadly...so far so good...

 

once this spike is done, things should get better pretty rapidly.

The future is rational only in hindsight. Right now, we seem to talk like we know what we're saying. We don't. I hear a lot of beliefs. Not singling you out K Wave. Sorry if it seems that way. I tend to agree with you, but the fact is that this is all a great experiment that will only make sense once it's done. In the meantime, all of the pronouncements here about it are just hot air.

 

Viral curves are reasonably consistent...they do not spike forever....

 

once we hit plateau, should start dropping after that.

 

next few days may tell us if we have hit plateau.


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Posted 24 June 2020 - 10:03 PM

 

claire, if I hear anyone coughing in store, I get the heck out of there ASAP.

out of my 20 or so visit to stores, I heard a cough only once. 

 

I am fast on my feet, with my daily routine of 30 minutes on treadmill moving at 22 min/mile and 3 deg up slope.

You are mostly right about mask giving some protection, but keep in mind airborne virus can get in through eyes just as easy.

Mask is meant to protect others from you in case you cough or sneeze or talk loudly.

 

It sounds like you're in great shape, but there are triathlon athletes and other very fit and healthy young people who have been taken down by this virus. Also, not everyone presents with a cough as an initial symptom. Some start with G.I. symptoms, sore throats, neurological symptoms, malaise, or other symptoms. Further, it seems that people may be most symptomatic 2-3 days before they experience any symptoms as well as early in their illness, and asymptomatic people who never feel ill are contagious. So, avoiding people who cough isn't enough. Yes, it can enter the eye, but this seems to be a less likely portal. And, masks protect not only others but also offer protection to the wearer. Fewer viral particles are likely to be inhaled even though the particles are small enough to penetrate the masks, and viral load seems to make a difference. It may be at least one of the reasons that many Asian countries have done well where mask-wearing is endemic. This could be the most simple intervention to limit the trajectory of this illness as a public health measure for the good of the nation.

 

 

My guess is the athletes did not wash hands with SOAP before touching face. I did not mean to emphasize my athletic ability to break my age almost every round of 18. Only reason I mentioned it is I can get out of the store in 2 or 3 seconds.

 

On a side issue, when I retired early at age 57, I was border line diabetic, and had chest pains after eating a good meal in a restaurant, and panic attacks in closed malls.

 

Now I have been doing some form of exercise for over 2 decades, and all my health problems have vanished. When I am in the community gym (300 homes in sub-division) there are only young people working out. Where the heck are the old people? No wonder Medicare is going broke. Old people just hate exercise. I follow no diet, take no nutritional supplements, eat anything I like, had pulled pork sandwich and fries at Sonny's BBQ today. The daily exercise has to be the reason I can get away with all this. It is not genes because all my uncles and dad died before age 70.


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Posted 25 June 2020 - 01:02 AM

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Posted 25 June 2020 - 05:19 AM

It's understandable that with the nucleic acid based tests ramping up we see more and more "confirmed cases".   This is not necessarily bad news as eventually the solution is a herd immunity.  The more test positive cases the closer to the herd immunity.  Unless the death numbers show a second wave we should not panic.................