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#11 salam

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Posted 28 June 2020 - 10:35 AM

 

 

Because you are an epidemiologist, have superior medical and virological and statistical knowledge than most of us mere mortals.

 

per capita testing should be high in the early stages of a pandemic, track trace and contain, so negating the need for high volume testing later.

 

US is doing more testing now, because all the horses have bolted from the stables and are infecting the herd.

 

but I forget.... we are dumb and you are wise and despair with our lack of intelligence 

 

If I was dumb why am I worth millions starting with $25 in my pocket when I arrived in this great country?

If I am dumb, why I am in perfect health at age 80, and do not even need to see doctors?

And most important no dumb person can ever break his age on 18 holes, which I have done multiple times.

 

I remain in awe of your achievements, but clearly humility wasn’t a priority in 80 of those years.

 

accusing others of lacking intelligence when making questionable statements at the same time is extremely telling of your wisdom sir.


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#12 claire

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Posted 28 June 2020 - 10:40 AM

 

 

 

Young people congregating in large groups without social distancing in 3% of counties in United States.

That was simply fool hardy. Of course more tests are partly responsible. Something like 26 Million tests done.

That is many times more than other countries. 

 

How many tests PER CAPITA have we done compared to other nations?

 

https://www.statista...ries-worldwide/

 

It is much easier to do 1/4 million tests in a small country than 26 million in any country.

But you will have difficulty understanding that concept.

 

More intelligent comparison would be between USA and China, Brazil, India, Indonesia etc.

But I have no right to expect intelligence from all posters.

 

Because you are an epidemiologist, have superior medical and virological and statistical knowledge than most of us mere mortals.

 

per capita testing should be high in the early stages of a pandemic, track trace and contain, so negating the need for high volume testing later.

 

US is doing more testing now, because all the horses have bolted from the stables and are infecting the herd.

 

but I forget.... we are dumb and you are wise and despair with our lack of intelligence 

 

 

 

A breath of the fresh air of logic. Thank you, Salam.

Contradictions seem to have no impact for some, such as "we do more testing than anyone," followed by we shouldn't compare the US to those who do more testing, but rather we should compare ourselves to those with the fewest resources to do testing. Or, we have so many positive tests because the threshold for testing positive is faulty. Suppose we compare death rates? Or, that this will disappear in the hot weather, while nations with very high temperatures were seeing an increase in cases. And, more, much more uninformed or nonsensical lack of logic from those who still have their heads in the sand. 

Meanwhile, the wealthiest nation in the world is seeing an alarming increase in cases, and we have no national policy to manage this crises. The short-term thinking to "save the economy" will destroy the economy and have far reaching consequences for the magnitude of human suffering that doesn't end with death but continues with the long term impact on the health of many who "recover" - not just among the old but include young, fit, and healthy people. There's increasing evidence that damage to the body may be systemic with lasting consequences for many. (If anyone would like links to this data, I can supply many.)



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Posted 28 June 2020 - 11:09 AM

 

 

 

Because you are an epidemiologist, have superior medical and virological and statistical knowledge than most of us mere mortals.

 

per capita testing should be high in the early stages of a pandemic, track trace and contain, so negating the need for high volume testing later.

 

US is doing more testing now, because all the horses have bolted from the stables and are infecting the herd.

 

but I forget.... we are dumb and you are wise and despair with our lack of intelligence 

 

If I was dumb why am I worth millions starting with $25 in my pocket when I arrived in this great country?

If I am dumb, why I am in perfect health at age 80, and do not even need to see doctors?

And most important no dumb person can ever break his age on 18 holes, which I have done multiple times.

 

I remain in awe of your achievements, but clearly humility wasn’t a priority in 80 of those years.

 

accusing others of lacking intelligence when making questionable statements at the same time is extremely telling of your wisdom sir.

 

 

I think he should receive a warning from the Mods  - he spouts advice related to the Virus which is literally dangerous and is in opposition to all medical evidence

 

people touch their faces 2-3 THOUSAND times a day - yet he states that he can go weeks with out doing that - absolute insanity 

 

is he being "humored " because of his age ?



#14 pdx5

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Posted 28 June 2020 - 02:56 PM

CDC NOW ESTIMATES THERE HAVE BEEN OVER 20 MILLION CORONAVIRUS CASES

 

 
 
Coronavirus data has been, in a word, maddening since the initial outbreak began in China. Beginning with initial reports from the WHO and China, it’s been very hard for the average person to know what is truth and what is fiction.
 
Hopefully that’s beginning to change.
 
On Friday, in a story that received relatively muted media coverage, the CDC released its latest data on the prevalence of the coronavirus in the country and the results are fairly eye opening, especially for those who haven’t paid much attention to the antibody studies in this country — the CDC now estimates there are ten times as many cases in the United States as our testing has uncovered.
 
That is, instead of around 2.6 million cases in the country there have actually been 26 million cases.
 
Those of you who have been following the national antibody studies aren’t surprised by this data, but I feel like that’s a small part of the overall country.
 
So for most of the country this should land as a certifiable blockbuster.
 
Why is this CDC finding significant?
 
Well, it means nearly one in every ten Americans have already had the coronavirus, which is a fairly gigantic finding. It also means many of these infected people had such mild cases they felt no need to receive treatment. In fact, it probably means the majority of the people who have had the coronavirus in this country never even knew they had it.
 
But it also means, and this is perhaps the most significant data point, the coronavirus is far less deadly than we’ve been led to believe.
 
In fact, the CDC study suggests the all age death rate from the virus is roughly .5%. Meaning 99.5% of all people infected with the coronavirus, regardless of age, recover. (There are other studies that suggest the .5% death rate is still far too high, but it’s still significant that the virus has a 99.5% recovery rate per the CDC).
 
Now as a point of fact we know that deaths from the coronavirus are heavily slanted towards nursing homes and the elderly — most states report over half of all deaths in nursing homes — so this means, as was reported via a study by Stanford scientist John Ioannadis, most people in this country are under a greater risk of death driving to and from work than they are from the coronavirus.
 
Yes, I know, the media is in the middle of a second wave of fear porn over increased cases in Florida, Texas, and Arizona, among other states, but it remains to be seen whether these cases, which are mostly in people in their twenties and thirties as opposed to in people in their sixties, will translate into an increased death count. While deaths are a lagging factor, Florida posted its lowest Saturday death total in eight weeks today:
 
Florida Saturday deaths for past eight weeks in May & June: 50, 47, 47, 43, 31, 47, 40, 26. Today was the lowest number of deaths on a Saturday for Florida since April.
 
20 million infections and only 126,000 deaths? 
That is less than 0.63% infected dying?
WOW and we shut down the country for that?
Was H1N1 less lethal?
Is imported drug resistant TB less lethal?
 
 

Edited by pdx5, 28 June 2020 - 03:01 PM.

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Posted 28 June 2020 - 03:30 PM

 

 

 

 

Young people congregating in large groups without social distancing in 3% of counties in United States.

That was simply fool hardy. Of course more tests are partly responsible. Something like 26 Million tests done.

That is many times more than other countries. 

 

How many tests PER CAPITA have we done compared to other nations?

 

https://www.statista...ries-worldwide/

 

It is much easier to do 1/4 million tests in a small country than 26 million in any country.

But you will have difficulty understanding that concept.

 

More intelligent comparison would be between USA and China, Brazil, India, Indonesia etc.

But I have no right to expect intelligence from all posters.

 

Because you are an epidemiologist, have superior medical and virological and statistical knowledge than most of us mere mortals.

 

per capita testing should be high in the early stages of a pandemic, track trace and contain, so negating the need for high volume testing later.

 

US is doing more testing now, because all the horses have bolted from the stables and are infecting the herd.

 

but I forget.... we are dumb and you are wise and despair with our lack of intelligence 

 

 

 

A breath of the fresh air of logic. Thank you, Salam.

Contradictions seem to have no impact for some, such as "we do more testing than anyone," followed by we shouldn't compare the US to those who do more testing, but rather we should compare ourselves to those with the fewest resources to do testing. Or, we have so many positive tests because the threshold for testing positive is faulty. Suppose we compare death rates? Or, that this will disappear in the hot weather, while nations with very high temperatures were seeing an increase in cases. And, more, much more uninformed or nonsensical lack of logic from those who still have their heads in the sand. 

Meanwhile, the wealthiest nation in the world is seeing an alarming increase in cases, and we have no national policy to manage this crises. The short-term thinking to "save the economy" will destroy the economy and have far reaching consequences for the magnitude of human suffering that doesn't end with death but continues with the long term impact on the health of many who "recover" - not just among the old but include young, fit, and healthy people. There's increasing evidence that damage to the body may be systemic with lasting consequences for many. (If anyone would like links to this data, I can supply many.)

 


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#16 gismeu

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Posted 28 June 2020 - 03:30 PM

I just want to get that straight for myself, the numbers matter, the story is fiction.

 

The county I live in has tested 1000 people each week in April and May and each week 100 of the 1000 persons tested were positive. That means 10% of the "population" is positive.

 

Then in June they tested 2000 people each week, so they doubled the number of tests and each week they had 150 positive people. That means 7.5% of the population is positive.

 

So in absolute numbers, the cases of people infected went up by 50 %. (From 100 to 150)

But in relative numbers the positive cases dropped to 7.5% of the "population".

 

So if that is correct, then I wonder what use are the news if they don't put the numbers in context???

 

What am I missing here?  Please help me out!

 

Thanks, gis

P.S. To me that means that the numbers have actually gone down, doesn't it?


Edited by gismeu, 28 June 2020 - 03:32 PM.

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#17 pdx5

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Posted 28 June 2020 - 04:13 PM

I can't believe there are still people here who believe number of infections are a bad thing.

Deaths are bad, infections are good. It is called herd immunity.

 

20-26 million infections, and 126,000 deaths is 0.005 ratio of deaths/infections.

 

Looking back, after me and wife came back from cruise on Feb 29th, we both had a dry cough which lasted 2 weeks.

We just ignored it as we do with mild cold symptoms. Knowing how many people from China and East Asia were on the crowded ship, I am beginning to suspect we were infected by covid-19.

 

No wonder I have been doing all sorts of stuff since March, and not getting infected again. I am convinced we both acquired immunity with the mild infection from the cruise.


Edited by pdx5, 28 June 2020 - 04:15 PM.

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Posted 28 June 2020 - 05:42 PM

Texas Medical Center hospitals have stopped reporting key metrics showing the stress rising numbers of COVID-19 patients are placing on their facilities, undermining data that policy makers and the public have relied upon during the pandemic to gauge the spread of the coronavirus.

The change came one day after the hospitals reported their base intensive care capacity had hit 100 percent for the first time during the pandemic, with projections showing the institutions which together comprise the worlds largest medical complex were on pace to exceed their unsustainable surge capacity by July 6.

More: https://www.houstonc...ty-15372256.php

#19 K Wave

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Posted 28 June 2020 - 05:50 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Spain deaths per million - 606

Italy death per million - 575

France deaths per million - 456

 

USA deaths per million - 388

 

So yes, the other 3 were abject failures when compared to USA


Edited by K Wave, 28 June 2020 - 05:51 PM.

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Posted 28 June 2020 - 05:54 PM

Texas Medical Center hospitals have stopped reporting key metrics showing the stress rising numbers of COVID-19 patients are placing on their facilities, undermining data that policy makers and the public have relied upon during the pandemic to gauge the spread of the coronavirus.

The change came one day after the hospitals reported their base intensive care capacity had hit 100 percent for the first time during the pandemic, with projections showing the institutions which together comprise the worlds largest medical complex were on pace to exceed their unsustainable surge capacity by July 6.

More: https://www.houstonc...ty-15372256.php

Houston cases look to have peaked.

 

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Edited by K Wave, 28 June 2020 - 05:54 PM.

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