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[andr99]

as I see it, no vax people believe that the human body has got natural resources to defeat the covid so that there's no need of a vaccine which might have in the long run dangerous effects that we still don' t know. In other words they think our body can defeat anything by itself, so no need of any vaccine. 

Well, one question.....if one day the world wide research could build a vaccine able to clear HIV from the human body, would you get vaccinated or would you rather count on your natural defences provided by your immune system ?  Please don' t tell me you would count on your natural defences......

If you instead give me the right and logic answer and would get vaccinated........why are you so scared by the covid vaccines ? 

Edited by andr99, 06 July 2022 - 05:45 PM.

[fib_1618]

People are likely getting sick BECAUSE they've been vaccinated. Annoying in the extreme.

This is exactly what the current data is showing…the new variant(s) only seem to be attracted to those who previously swallowed this whole gene therapy “vaccine” propaganda by about 99.2%. Those who don’t know this should quickly search out new sources of more balanced information.

 

Fib

[trioderob]

 

 

People are likely getting sick BECAUSE they've been vaccinated. Annoying in the extreme.

 

I'll bet that natural immunity is good enough to fight most of the variants off, but my thinking is that the MMR will provide additional SAFE protection from most variants as well, and for almost as long as natural.

 

Mark -

 

I assume that you have some sort of irrefutable proof to back this statement  ? 

 

Sure. There's all kinds of data on it all over the place. We were aware of this nearly a year ago. Look up "negative vaccine efficacy".

 

And I assume for the sake of argument that if the reverse were true  -and the vaccine was effective  - you possess the experience and expertise in Virology  to sort through all the multitude of articles plastered on the internet - weeding out any medical falsehoods which they might contain and come to the correct conclusion ?       

[pdx5]

260 million Americans already vaxxed
When 2.6 million are found dead (that would be 1% of vaxxed) from vaccine, will you please send me message? Until then I will keep booking cruises every other month. Only fully vaxxed people are allowed on ship. Sorry I will not see you there.

Edited by pdx5, 06 July 2022 - 08:12 PM.

[fib_1618]

260 million Americans already vaxxed
When 2.6 million are found dead (that would be 1% of vaxxed) from vaccine, will you please send me message? Until then I will keep booking cruises every other month. Only fully vaxxed people are allowed on ship. Sorry I will not see you there.

 

This is about the most callous comment I’ve ever seen on this subject…not ONE person should die needlessly to satisfy experimental gene therapy that was politically forced upon you…and stop with this obsession with your number of cruises taken…it’s highly disingenuous, no less insultingly divisive, to the subject matter.

 

Fib

Edited by fib_1618, 06 July 2022 - 09:55 PM.

[trioderob]

you guys read something on the internet and now you believe that you an expert when in fact you have no medical training or experience - you then pat  yourselfs on the back thinking you have some sort of profound inside information ......

 

the reality is you don't - if you were asked to make a scientific presentation to a committee of the worlds top virologists about covid you would not have the first clue what to say

 

and to make it worse we have a few characters on this forum who's heads are so far up in the clouds that they think OTHER people are idiots if they don't agree with them - what a joke.

 

I have works for years in the biotech industry doing drug development - anyone else here say the same ? 

[pdx5]

These calamity from covid vaccine posts are getting more and more desperate. Why? There is no law which will incarcerate you for refusing the vaccine. As it should be.

Again the vaccines are voluntary. In China & New Zealand there are penalties for refusing vaccination.
Thankfully in United States of America you will not be prosecuted for refusing getting the jabs.

Fib, you are a tube light. You failed to grasp simple sarcasm. I never said I hope 2.6 million die from the covid vaccines. Of course 2.6 million are never going to face serious adverse effects from the jabs. That is why I used such a ridiculously high number to shine light on fear porn being posted about the vaccines. Even at that high number it is less than 1% of vaccinated Americans.
Go back to doing some more TA instead of posting fear porn about vaccines.

Edited by pdx5, 06 July 2022 - 09:48 PM.

[Rogerdodger]

I have works(sic) for years in the biotech industry doing drug development

So you are also on the payroll? LOL.

 

Forced injections pave the way

 

Beijing Rolls Out China’s First Ever Covid Vaccine Mandate

Bloomberg News - 17h ago

City to limit entry to public venues based on vaccination

Beijing residents wanting to enter a public places will need to show proof of vaccination from Monday, the first time China has deployed a vaccine mandate, as the city rushes to quash a new outbreak caused by a more infectious subvariant.

 

 

Edited by Rogerdodger, 06 July 2022 - 10:37 PM.

[fib_1618]

These calamity from covid vaccine posts are getting more and more desperate. Why? There is no law which will incarcerate you for refusing the vaccine. As it should be.

Again the vaccines are voluntary. In China & New Zealand there are penalties for refusing vaccination.
Thankfully in United States of America you will not be prosecuted for refusing getting the jabs.

Fib, you are a tube light. You failed to grasp simple sarcasm. I never said I hope 2.6 million die from the covid vaccines. Of course 2.6 million are never going to face serious adverse effects from the jabs. That is why I used such a ridiculously high number to shine light on fear porn being posted about the vaccines. Even at that high number it is less than 1% of vaccinated Americans.
Go back to doing some more TA instead of posting fear porn about vaccines.

Respectfully, your newest comments here show that have have zero idea as to the evolving fallout, no less, the punishments already inflicted on those who have been coerced into taking the “vaccine” (or even wearing a useless mask)…it’s never been voluntary to those where political leverage (strong arming) was used to get you to take a poke or lose your job (healthcare workers, military soldiers and other government workers), businesses (to determine if you were “essential” or not), or even loved ones being denied visitation rights of family members in hospitals…and let’s not forget those who died with cancer, heart disease, or just needing the necessary surgeries just to keep their lives functioning. This draconian abuse of power, especially of those younger than 20 years old, will never be forgiven, and it is my fearless forecast that you’ll be seeing this century’s version of the Nuremberg Trials of this abuse of power within the next 5 years.

Additionally, there wasn’t one note of sarcasm in your selfish posting of an actual number of people that need to die before you’re “convinced” there’s a problem. Shame on you for even introducing this into the discussion whether you were trying to be absurd or not.

Now you go and have a wonderful time with your “chosen people”.

 

Fib

[gismeu]

 
"Why does the innate immune system not or not as much respond to the virus, or its variants, in vaccinated people? What is 'suppressing' it?

gis
I believe the answer can be surmised as the original antigenic sin. As I understand it, the immune system when encountering a previously  unseen pathogen produces antibodies to that family of pathogens ie... influenza so on the first occurrence the immune system is primed and every subsequent infection it mounts the same antibody response. This would suggest the folly of annual flu vax injections since the immune response is already coded with the initial infection. This goes back to herd immunity as a virus mutates each subsequent INITIAL infection sees a slightly different mutation and produces a slightly different immune response making immune escape much less likely than if everyone is injected with the same antigen coding. So to answer the question the immune response is not being suppressed rather it is uniform across the vaxed population and is not now and never has been neutralizing.

Thanks Chem,

What helped was this video:

https://www.bitchute...o/LhTyQAUkwFbH/

gis