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#31 entre

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Posted 06 September 2021 - 02:19 PM

PhDs are the most vaccine-hesitant group out there:

https://unherd.com/t...up-of-all-phds/

 

Covid19 is a coronavirus and coronavirus mutations are known to occur inside the spike protein.  Whereas flu mutations can also occur outside the spike protein.  I think that difference is giving covid19 vaccine developers a false sense of security:

 

The "universal coronavirus vaccine" against the entire family of coronaviruses not just covid19, is expected to come out in just two years from now:

(In comparison, there's never been a "universal flu vaccine", as the top three strands of flu circulating are combined into a flu shot, which is different)

 

https://today.duke.e...us-vaccine-duke

https://www.youtube....h?v=ZfTrrsfKvLw

"A successful initial clinical trial would be followed by phase 2 and phase 3 trials to prove the vaccine’s safety and efficacy. If all goes well, he believes a pan-coronavirus vaccine could be available by the end of 2023."

https://www.ucihealt...navirus-vaccine

 

This will force covid19 into one of two choices: mutate outside the spike protein or die out.  I have a hunch that covid19 then mutates outside the spike protein.  Covid19 is a novel virus all over the world at once in this age of worldwide travel, so there is unprecedented infectious pressure to jump the evolutionary creek.

 

If the resulting Antibody Dependent Enhancement (ADE) from covid19 mutations outside the spike protein is large enough, it could become the "pale horse" symbol of sickness in the 4th Seal of the Book Of Revelation that helps wipe out a fourth of the world:

 

"And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.  And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth."

https://www.biblegat...7-8&version=KJV

 

The 1st Seal already happened:

 

"And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer."

https://www.biblegat...n 6&version=KJV

"As the story goes Macron was at an official celebration of Joan of Arc in the city of Orléans – where she famously exhorted soldiers to kick the English out – when he had a vision. His destiny would be to saddle his own white horse and lead the French back to glory. Indeed at his first public meeting in Paris in December, the presidential candidate sounded like an exalted preacher yelling to the heavens as 15,000 people chanted his name."

https://monocle.com/...-on-the-elysee/

https://www.youtube....h?v=QhuBOCboAaQ

https://www.christia...nti-christ.html

 

Anyway, people should ask their doctor what could happen to the vaccinated, if covid19 mutates outside the spike protein.


Edited by entre, 06 September 2021 - 02:21 PM.


#32 jacek

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Posted 06 September 2021 - 04:59 PM

"Anyway, people should ask their doctor what could happen to the vaccinated, if covid19 mutates outside the spike protein."

 

It is not about where it mutates, because mutations are distributed randomly.

It is about which mutations are selected. Selection is for those mutations that provide fittness advantage to the virus, in other worlds because it replicates faster after acquiring the mutation.

Evidently, it is the spike protein mutations that benefit this virus the most.

No evidence from the existing variants that anything else matters, because hasn't been selected.

Hope this helps to understand what has been going on with mutations and variants. 


Edited by jacek, 06 September 2021 - 05:01 PM.


#33 claire

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Posted 06 September 2021 - 06:34 PM

PhDs are the most vaccine-hesitant group out there:

https://unherd.com/t...up-of-all-phds/

 

Covid19 is a coronavirus and coronavirus mutations are known to occur inside the spike protein.  Whereas flu mutations can also occur outside the spike protein.  I think that difference is giving covid19 vaccine developers a false sense of security:

 

The "universal coronavirus vaccine" against the entire family of coronaviruses not just covid19, is expected to come out in just two years from now:

(In comparison, there's never been a "universal flu vaccine", as the top three strands of flu circulating are combined into a flu shot, which is different)

 

https://today.duke.e...us-vaccine-duke

https://www.youtube....h?v=ZfTrrsfKvLw

"A successful initial clinical trial would be followed by phase 2 and phase 3 trials to prove the vaccine’s safety and efficacy. If all goes well, he believes a pan-coronavirus vaccine could be available by the end of 2023."

https://www.ucihealt...navirus-vaccine

 

This will force covid19 into one of two choices: mutate outside the spike protein or die out.  I have a hunch that covid19 then mutates outside the spike protein.  Covid19 is a novel virus all over the world at once in this age of worldwide travel, so there is unprecedented infectious pressure to jump the evolutionary creek.

 

If the resulting Antibody Dependent Enhancement (ADE) from covid19 mutations outside the spike protein is large enough, it could become the "pale horse" symbol of sickness in the 4th Seal of the Book Of Revelation that helps wipe out a fourth of the world:

 

"And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.  And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth."

https://www.biblegat...7-8&version=KJV

 

The 1st Seal already happened:

 

"And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer."

https://www.biblegat...n 6&version=KJV

"As the story goes Macron was at an official celebration of Joan of Arc in the city of Orléans – where she famously exhorted soldiers to kick the English out – when he had a vision. His destiny would be to saddle his own white horse and lead the French back to glory. Indeed at his first public meeting in Paris in December, the presidential candidate sounded like an exalted preacher yelling to the heavens as 15,000 people chanted his name."

https://monocle.com/...-on-the-elysee/

https://www.youtube....h?v=QhuBOCboAaQ

https://www.christia...nti-christ.html

 

Anyway, people should ask their doctor what could happen to the vaccinated, if covid19 mutates outside the spike protein.


I don't know what your point is in posting these references. Do you consider these arguments against vaccination?

I don't have the time or energy to respond to each link. I will respond to your mentioning a study that is not peer reviewed which seems to be very misleading by suggesting that those who are most educated and informed, people with Ph.D. degrees, are the most vaccine hesitant group.

According to their data, about 24% of the Ph.D.s responding to a survey said they were hesitant. This means that among those surveyed, 76 % of Ph.D.s weren't hesitant. This was a survey from the results of a Facebook Data for Good survey. People taking the survey reported their degrees. It was an honor system with no effort to verify this. Further, the Ph.Ds could have degrees in any field with no information about those that are in scientific fields or those with M.D. degrees. The data was collected before the vaccine was widely distributed and information from the subsequent findings. So what can we conclude from this? Nothing!

Jacek has already responded to your question about what could happen if mutations occur outside the spike protein. If you'd like to understand something about how the coronavirus infects cells, this deeper dive into some facts may help. The graphics in this article are fabulous:

https://www.nature.c...586-021-02039-y

 



#34 pdx5

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Posted 06 September 2021 - 06:47 PM

I have known a few PhD's. Most could not run a lemonade stand with profit. Their knowledge is narrowly focused in some unique area and do not know much about how the main street economy operates.

 

As for vaccines, it is helping create immunity right now, reducing hospitalization.

My local hospital reports 86% of covid patients admitted were NON-VACCINATED.

No vaccine can prevent infection. The function of vaccine is to help fight the virus when it invades and infects.

I like my reduced chances of ending up in ICU with the vaccine.

Even better, I am booked on my 37th cruise next week, which would be impossible without fully vaccinated.


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#35 Rogerdodger

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Posted 06 September 2021 - 08:02 PM

At least the reporting is reliable...or not.

State's hospital capacity data shows ICU beds available while several Oklahoma City-area hospitals publicly say they have none

 

I have an ICU nurse friend working in Homer Alaska who had Covid months ago and fully recovered.

Recently, one of 20 some nurses tested positive, now all the nurses who worked a shift with her must wait 2 weeks to work and be negative twice to come back in to work, all unpaid.


Edited by Rogerdodger, 06 September 2021 - 08:08 PM.


#36 LMF

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Posted 06 September 2021 - 08:07 PM

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#37 LMF

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Posted 06 September 2021 - 08:09 PM

 
I have an ICU nurse friend working in Homer Alaska who had Covid months ago and fully recovered.
Recently, one of 20 some nurses tested positive, now all the nurses who worked a shift with her must wait 2 weeks to work and be negative twice to come back in to work, all unpaid.


I think this is where it can all go off track depending how the PCR was done with the amp cycle level. And its still pretty difficult to get that data from the lab. Rice university recently went thru the massive false positive thing with their incoming students. It was going to shelve the start of the school year, but they switched labs and got it nailed down. Asymptomatic positive is quite suspicious unless youve got the amp cycle number used.

Edited by LMF, 06 September 2021 - 08:17 PM.


#38 claire

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Posted 06 September 2021 - 09:43 PM

 

 

As for vaccines, it is helping create immunity right now, reducing hospitalization.

My local hospital reports 86% of covid patients admitted were NON-VACCINATED.

No vaccine can prevent infection. The function of vaccine is to help fight the virus when it invades and infects.

I like my reduced chances of ending up in ICU with the vaccine.

 

 

Correct. Your hospital is not an anomaly. Here's a map showing the density of the delta variant throughout the country with proportionate rates of hospitalization and deaths where the delta is most prominent and in locations with the lowest rates of vaccination and protective measures to limit the spread. Check the link below:

https://allears.net/...riant-cases.png

 



#39 pdx5

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Posted 06 September 2021 - 09:47 PM

2021-08-27-10-04-31-Coronavirus-COVID-19


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Posted 06 September 2021 - 10:16 PM

2021-08-27-10-04-31-Coronavirus-COVID-19

 

 

And, "Florida set a new record for most people hospitalized with COVID at 12,408. This is the third straight day the state broke its record" on Aug 4, 2021. I'm sure it's higher now.

https://www.staugust...rds/5483544001/