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#51 brucekeller

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Posted 08 September 2021 - 05:31 AM

Kinda weird how the numbers are so high if 70% of adults have been vaccinated with at least one shot, and most of those have been fully vaccinated, so what, maybe about 60ish % of all adults? You'd think with the vaccines working and stuff that we at least wouldn't be hitting all time highs in infections.  It's almost like the vaccines basically do nothing to stop the infection from spreading.  I guess at least they stop hospitalizations, although I heard on twitter that the CDC changed reporting methods on May 1 so that if someone is COVID vaccinated that they aren't required to report their COVID death as a COVID death anymore.  Can't find it to verify though. I wonder if that extends to the numbers being admitted too?  COVID is no joke, but I wonder how much of a joke the vaccine really is?   Israeli studies were saying that Pfizer's vaccine is only something like 37% effective at stopping the spread, while a UK one said 88%... but Israel is 80% vaccinated and almost all with Pfizer and they have mostly Delta, so I'd trust their numbers more.   Why isn't the vaccine seemingly doing much for an almost fully vaccinated country?   Initially their number of vaccinated in the hospitals was low, but last I heard it was something like 60% and rising. 

 

I bet the numbers will somehow get a lot better when Novavax's product hits the street. It's apparently 90% effective against all variants and more like a traditional vaccine.  Of course, I wonder how that will interact with the previously vaccinated? 


Edited by brucekeller, 08 September 2021 - 05:33 AM.


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Posted 08 September 2021 - 03:12 PM

 

So, there's a growing body of evidence that both the MMR and the Tetanus shots are meaningfully protective (and, of course, safe). This might be a reasonable pivot for those who are vaccinated and concerned. Or maybe the vaccine hesitant.

https://www.msn.com/...tion/ar-AANY6qN

You can also include the basic flu shot, and if you’re 65 or older, the duo pneumonia shots which also protect you bacterially.

 

And for those who are still on the fence, a daily dose of good old vitamin D and zinc would do just as well.

 

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Strongly agree on the Vitamin D. I take 4,000 IU daily.

 


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Posted 08 September 2021 - 05:26 PM

"Strongly agree on the Vitamin D. I take 4,000 IU daily"

 

Good strategy. Vitamin D is actually more a hormone than a vitamin, and can increase resistance to many diseases.

But sunshine is not the way to get it if you lack melanin in skin (like Scandinavians). 

 


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Posted 08 September 2021 - 05:51 PM

Who will watch the "self-appointed" Truth watchers?

 

I thought that we all loved real SCIENCE, not political science!

 

Nobel prize winning drug Ivermectin called "Horse Medicine" by CNN's "self-appointed" "Truth Mafia"

Ivermectin: a multifaceted drug of Nobel prize ... - PubMed

Ivermectin: a multifaceted drug of Nobel prize-honoured distinction with indicated efficacy against a new global scourge, COVID-19

Six of seven meta-analyses of IVM treatment RCTs reporting in 2021 found notable reductions in COVID-19 fatalities, with a mean 31% relative risk of mortality vs. controls. During mass IVM treatments in Peru, excess deaths fell by a mean of 74% over 30 days in its ten states with the most extensive treatments.

 

Joe Rogan considers suing CNN over Ivermectin 'horse dewormer' claims. ...

They're making [bleeeep] up,” Rogan said on his podcast, The Joe Rogan Experience. “They keep saying I'm taking horse dewormer.

I literally got it from a doctor! It’s an American company. They won the Nobel Prize in 2015 for use in human beings, and CNN is saying I’m taking horse dewormer. They must know that’s a lie.”

 

Is CNN really worth our trust?

https://honestreporting.com/cnns-iraqi-cover-up/  In a shocking New York Times opinion piece, CNN’s chief news executive Eason Jordan has admitted that for the past decade the network has systematically covered up stories of Iraqi atrocities. Reports of murder, torture, and planned assassinations were suppressed in order to maintain CNN’s Baghdad bureau.

 

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Edited by Rogerdodger, 08 September 2021 - 06:06 PM.


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Posted 08 September 2021 - 05:56 PM

"Strongly agree on the Vitamin D. I take 4,000 IU daily"

 

Good strategy. Vitamin D is actually more a hormone than a vitamin, and can increase resistance to many diseases.

But sunshine is not the way to get it if you lack melanin in skin (like Scandinavians). 

 

 

But it IS the critical reason why more people get sick in the winter months than spring, summer or fall...lack of sunshine (which is also the main ingredient for climates).

 

Vitamin D also allows our immune systems to work more efficiently without the need for artificial experimentation....zinc stops most viruses in their tracks as well.

 

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Edited by fib_1618, 08 September 2021 - 05:57 PM.

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Posted 08 September 2021 - 08:25 PM

 

 

 

"Scientists have speculated"

 

Haven't we all?  Dogmatic thinking is not thinking at all.

 

Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccine has 30 micrograms of mRNA, while Moderna's has 100 micrograms.

Scientists have speculated that this could be a reason Pfizer's shot produced a lower antibody response than Moderna's in recent studies.

 

  • Pfizer's vaccine has 30 micrograms of mRNA, the active ingredient. Moderna's has 100 micrograms.

  • Both vaccines produce similar side effects, according to the CDC.

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So is there now evidence that one has proven better in prevention than the other?

Inquiring minds want to know.


Edited by Rogerdodger, 08 September 2021 - 11:38 PM.


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Posted 09 September 2021 - 08:09 AM

Darn cant get the article up! 



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Posted 09 September 2021 - 08:44 AM

You guys might also want to do some research into regular old niacin B3 (Nicotinic Acid version).

 

There is an extremely strong correlation to levels of NAD+ in the system to Covid severity, as Covid severely depletes it.

It is speculated that since kids have very high levels to starts with, this is the main reason they essentially do not get sick from it. (I can verify that with my own kids, who have been exposed countless times, and only had very minor symptoms once.)

 

There has also been a ton of anti-aging work looking at NAD+ as a prime suspect.

 

Nicotinic Acid is great pre-cursor to NAD+, and can actually restore NAD+ levels in both sick and healthy folks.

 

https://pubmed.ncbi....h.gov/32386566/

Niacin Cures Systemic NAD + Deficiency and Improves Muscle Performance in Adult-Onset Mitochondrial Myopathy

Here, we report systemic NAD+ deficiency in adult-onset mitochondrial myopathy patients. We administered an increasing dose of NAD+-booster niacin, a vitamin B3 form (to 750-1,000 mg/day; clinicaltrials.govNCT03973203) for patients and their matched controls for 10 or 4 months, respectively. Blood NAD+ increased in all subjects, up to 8-fold, and muscle NAD+ of patients reached the level of their controls. Some patients showed anemia tendency, while muscle strength and mitochondrial biogenesis increased in all subjects. In patients, muscle metabolome shifted toward controls and liver fat decreased even 50%.

 

 

And they also been having some success giving Niacin and Selenium to Long Covid folks, again targeting NAD+ levels.

 

https://nkalex.mediu...id-5f9852f1101d

The Team of Doctors and Biohackers Who Seem to Be Successfully Treating “Long Covid”

Simply, their theory is that COVID19 causes NAD+ depletion, some people with vitamin deficiencies, existing NAD+ depletion or genetic deficits in energy metabolism have long term NAD+ dysfunction. The body tries to make up for low NAD+ by feeding in tryptophan, which is the precursor for serotonin, causing low serotonin. Mast cells are activated locally to release serotonin instead, leading to histamine release and mast cell activation issues. Neurological effects are due to low serotonin and NAD+, which also effects the microbiome and general homoeostasis. Energy disruptions are specific to high metabolically active tissues such as the heart and brain. This is further complexed with disruption of the gut-immune axis, mobilization of bacteria, secondary infections - both bacterial and reactivation of dormant neurotrophic viruses.

 

The group treating this mechanism utilizes:
Nicotinic acid aka Niacin (most important and not nicotinamide or other forms) — 100mg
Vitamin C aka Ascorbic Acid — 1500mg
Vitamin D — 3000iu
Zinc — 15mg
Selenium — 50mcg
Quercetin — 500mg

 

With the reasonable likelihood of "vaccine escaped" variant coming our way fairly soon....might not be a bad idea to pump up your declining levels of NAD+.

 

Note with Niacin...liver toxicity has been seen at a dose around 3gr (3000 mg)...so more is not necessarily better.

And I would advise against slow or sustained release version for long term use, as toxicity has been seen at much lower levels, due to there being 2 different pathways that Niacin can use in the Body.

The instant release version that causes the flushing quickly uses up the bandwidth on the more dangerous path to the liver, and the vast majority goes down the safer path.

With the Slow or Sustained release version, due to the trickle effect, about 80% of the dose goes down the more dangerous pathway to the liver. Toxicty with Sustained release has been seen at dose as low as 500mg when used for many years.


Edited by K Wave, 09 September 2021 - 08:51 AM.


#59 da_cheif

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Posted 09 September 2021 - 09:56 AM

You guys might also want to do some research into regular old niacin B3 (Nicotinic Acid version).

 

There is an extremely strong correlation to levels of NAD+ in the system to Covid severity, as Covid severely depletes it.

It is speculated that since kids have very high levels to starts with, this is the main reason they essentially do not get sick from it. (I can verify that with my own kids, who have been exposed countless times, and only had very minor symptoms once.)

 

There has also been a ton of anti-aging work looking at NAD+ as a prime suspect.

 

Nicotinic Acid is great pre-cursor to NAD+, and can actually restore NAD+ levels in both sick and healthy folks.

 

https://pubmed.ncbi....h.gov/32386566/

Niacin Cures Systemic NAD + Deficiency and Improves Muscle Performance in Adult-Onset Mitochondrial Myopathy

Here, we report systemic NAD+ deficiency in adult-onset mitochondrial myopathy patients. We administered an increasing dose of NAD+-booster niacin, a vitamin B3 form (to 750-1,000 mg/day; clinicaltrials.govNCT03973203) for patients and their matched controls for 10 or 4 months, respectively. Blood NAD+ increased in all subjects, up to 8-fold, and muscle NAD+ of patients reached the level of their controls. Some patients showed anemia tendency, while muscle strength and mitochondrial biogenesis increased in all subjects. In patients, muscle metabolome shifted toward controls and liver fat decreased even 50%.

 

 

And they also been having some success giving Niacin and Selenium to Long Covid folks, again targeting NAD+ levels.

 

https://nkalex.mediu...id-5f9852f1101d

The Team of Doctors and Biohackers Who Seem to Be Successfully Treating “Long Covid”

Simply, their theory is that COVID19 causes NAD+ depletion, some people with vitamin deficiencies, existing NAD+ depletion or genetic deficits in energy metabolism have long term NAD+ dysfunction. The body tries to make up for low NAD+ by feeding in tryptophan, which is the precursor for serotonin, causing low serotonin. Mast cells are activated locally to release serotonin instead, leading to histamine release and mast cell activation issues. Neurological effects are due to low serotonin and NAD+, which also effects the microbiome and general homoeostasis. Energy disruptions are specific to high metabolically active tissues such as the heart and brain. This is further complexed with disruption of the gut-immune axis, mobilization of bacteria, secondary infections - both bacterial and reactivation of dormant neurotrophic viruses.

 

The group treating this mechanism utilizes:
Nicotinic acid aka Niacin (most important and not nicotinamide or other forms) — 100mg
Vitamin C aka Ascorbic Acid — 1500mg
Vitamin D — 3000iu
Zinc — 15mg
Selenium — 50mcg
Quercetin — 500mg

 

With the reasonable likelihood of "vaccine escaped" variant coming our way fairly soon....might not be a bad idea to pump up your declining levels of NAD+.

 

Note with Niacin...liver toxicity has been seen at a dose around 3gr (3000 mg)...so more is not necessarily better.

And I would advise against slow or sustained release version for long term use, as toxicity has been seen at much lower levels, due to there being 2 different pathways that Niacin can use in the Body.

The instant release version that causes the flushing quickly uses up the bandwidth on the more dangerous path to the liver, and the vast majority goes down the safer path.

With the Slow or Sustained release version, due to the trickle effect, about 80% of the dose goes down the more dangerous pathway to the liver. Toxicty with Sustained release has been seen at dose as low as 500mg when used for many years.

this cocktail u quoted seems to be missing the most important ingredient.....IVM



#60 andr99

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Posted 09 September 2021 - 10:46 AM

Just a question guys......how many have died because of the covid vaccines and how many have died because of covid, so far ? I think there's a fear of the vaccines in the air in this forum that rarely I have seen elsewhere. All the people that I know that have been vaccinated are in good health while I know people who have died of covid. And let's avoid to count the long term effects of covid in many of  those who have recovered. Nothing else to add


Edited by andr99, 09 September 2021 - 10:48 AM.

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